More help with Latin please

AlexBell · 12-26-2016, 02:31 AM

I'm currently preparing Married or Single? by Catharine Maria Sedgwick for the MobileRead library, in an annotated version which will explain some of the many quotes and allusions.

In the Preface Miss Sedgwick writes that she 'will make the hero and heroine man and wife' ... Omnia rité et solenné acta sunt.

The best I can get out of Google Translate is 'Are properly instructed in all the acts and in common usage', which makes no sense at all to me. Can anyone give me a better translation, or point me to some source which will give a better translation?

kyteflyer · 12-26-2016, 06:08 AM

That doesnt look like Latin to me. Or rather "Omnia" and "sunt" are Latin, but the rest looks French. Probably why its not making sense. That said, I am unable to translate since Latin is now 52 years back in memory, and French is 49. I've forgotten more than I learned.

John F · 12-26-2016, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexBell

I'm currently preparing Married or Single? by Catharine Maria Sedgwick for the MobileRead library, in an annotated version which will explain some of the many quotes and allusions.

In the Preface Miss Sedgwick writes that she 'will make the hero and heroine man and wife' ... Omnia rité et solenné acta sunt.

The best I can get out of Google Translate is 'Are properly instructed in all the acts and in common usage', which makes no sense at all to me. Can anyone give me a better translation, or point me to some source which will give a better translation?

The context is important, so I came up with: "... and they both know where the naughty bits are and what they do."*

* I do not know Latin.

Little.Egret · 12-26-2016, 03:57 PM

The intention would appear to be

"All rites and solemnities will be duly accomplished" but why the mixture I have no idea.

AlexBell · 12-26-2016, 04:27 PM

Thanks very much to you all. Miss Sedgwick seems to me to have had a wicked sense of humour, so I wouldn't put it past her to have mixed up the two languages with a grin on her face.

Of course that does make it difficult for earnest ebook designers and annotators.

Krazykiwi · 12-26-2016, 04:36 PM

It would appear to be a partial misrendering (although likely on purpose as you say) of a more common: omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta
"all things are presumed to have been done correctly and solemnly"
(from: http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/...9551248-e-2695 )

or several similar phrases. The slightly shorter but similar "Omnia praesumuntur rite esse acta" shows up even more often, often in legal dictionaries, and lead eventually to here, which is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_regularity

Perhaps the interesting question is indeed, why the sly partial translation to French of what appears to be a stock phrase.

Terisa de morgan · 12-26-2016, 04:40 PM

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12-26-2016, 02:31 AM	#1
AlexBell Wizard Posts: 3,413 Karma: 13369310 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Launceston, Tasmania Device: Sony PRS T3, Kobo Glo, Kindle Touch, iPad, Samsung SB 2 tablet	More help with Latin please I'm currently preparing Married or Single? by Catharine Maria Sedgwick for the MobileRead library, in an annotated version which will explain some of the many quotes and allusions. In the Preface Miss Sedgwick writes that she 'will make the hero and heroine man and wife' ... Omnia rité et solenné acta sunt. The best I can get out of Google Translate is 'Are properly instructed in all the acts and in common usage', which makes no sense at all to me. Can anyone give me a better translation, or point me to some source which will give a better translation?

12-26-2016, 04:40 PM	#7
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kyteflyer Wizard Posts: 1,841 Karma: 9547754 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Newcastle, Australia Device: iPhone SE2020	That doesnt look like Latin to me. Or rather "Omnia" and "sunt" are Latin, but the rest looks French. Probably why its not making sense. That said, I am unable to translate since Latin is now 52 years back in memory, and French is 49. I've forgotten more than I learned.

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Little.Egret Wizard Posts: 3,168 Karma: 37800000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, England, UK Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G, Kindle Fire 2, NOOK ST, Kindle HDX, Fire 7"	The intention would appear to be "All rites and solemnities will be duly accomplished" but why the mixture I have no idea.

12-26-2016, 04:27 PM	#5
AlexBell Wizard Posts: 3,413 Karma: 13369310 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Launceston, Tasmania Device: Sony PRS T3, Kobo Glo, Kindle Touch, iPad, Samsung SB 2 tablet	Thanks very much to you all. Miss Sedgwick seems to me to have had a wicked sense of humour, so I wouldn't put it past her to have mixed up the two languages with a grin on her face. Of course that does make it difficult for earnest ebook designers and annotators.

12-26-2016, 04:36 PM	#6
Krazykiwi Zealot Posts: 137 Karma: 2156958 Join Date: Jan 2013 Device: Too many random androids to list	It would appear to be a partial misrendering (although likely on purpose as you say) of a more common: omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta "all things are presumed to have been done correctly and solemnly" (from: http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/...9551248-e-2695 ) or several similar phrases. The slightly shorter but similar "Omnia praesumuntur rite esse acta" shows up even more often, often in legal dictionaries, and lead eventually to here, which is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_regularity Perhaps the interesting question is indeed, why the sly partial translation to French of what appears to be a stock phrase.

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