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Old 10-06-2014, 11:02 PM   #16
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ADE2 sends some data but it's small enough that it could just be necessary authorizations. It's also obfuscated in such a way that I don't see any useful info.
ADE3 sends similar minimal amounts of data.
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:11 PM   #17
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:12 PM   #18
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This is despicable

I'm so glad I don't ever buy DRMed epubs, but unfortunately, a lot of my libraries' ebooks are just this format.
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:18 PM   #19
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I'm still using ADE2. But I see no where in the EULA that they inform me they are collecting information. I've not read the EULA for ADE4.
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:36 PM   #20
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1.7.2 here.
I always assumed it logged how much I read of each book or if I transferred it to another device. Never occurred to me they'd scan my calibre library.

Earlier versions may not upload as much data, but I find that 2011 post completely convincing. I doubt this is all new.
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Old 10-07-2014, 12:54 AM   #21
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Oh, so that's what they meant by "new DRM".
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Old 10-07-2014, 02:19 AM   #22
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If you don't have an Adobe ID you can create one with an older version and then delete it. Or create it on a library PC.

Once you have the ID you can use just Overdrive.
If you use Calibre and your computer to download from a library then you have to use ADE unless you are on Windows 8. Using Overdrive to download only works on Android and Windows 8 according to the Overdrive help text. I don't have any great secrets in my library but I really hate the thought of someone going through my library like that. I only use ADE because the overdrive says it is my only choice on Windows 7. As soon as that changes ADE goes out the window.
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Old 10-07-2014, 11:02 AM   #23
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If you have a Kindle, you can send Overdrive library books from Amazon's servers to your Kindle; no ADE involved. I guess there are some Overdrive books which are not available in Kindle format; I haven't come across them myself.
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Old 10-07-2014, 11:21 AM   #24
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So what exactly is the endgame? What is Adobe going to do with the data?

Forgive my ignorance, but I really don't know.
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Old 10-07-2014, 11:23 AM   #25
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If you have a Kindle, you can send Overdrive library books from Amazon's servers to your Kindle; no ADE involved.
... in the USA. There's no such thing as a Kindle library book here (or in many other places, I believe).
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Old 10-07-2014, 11:25 AM   #26
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So what exactly is the endgame? What is Adobe going to do with the data?

Forgive my ignorance, but I really don't know.
It's bad that Adobe is collecting the data without informing customers that they are doing so. It's terrible that they're sending the data in plain text, so that anyone can read it.

What can be done with the metadata they're collecting? Who knows. But if they didn't have some plan that will benefit Adobe, possibly at the expense of the customer, they wouldn't have spent the effort to put the data collection code in the application.
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Old 10-07-2014, 11:31 AM   #27
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It's bad that Adobe is collecting the data without informing customers that they are doing so. It's terrible that they're sending the data in plain text, so that anyone can read it.

What can be done with the metadata they're collecting? Who knows. But if they didn't have some plan that will benefit Adobe, possibly at the expense of the customer, they wouldn't have spent the effort to put the data collection code in the application.
"Hey, HarperCollins, we added code to scan hard drives for pirate editions so you can sue the downloaders."

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Old 10-07-2014, 11:35 AM   #28
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Ah, so THIS is what people mean when the say that the ADE ecosystem is more "open" than Amazon's ecosystem! They mean it "opens" all the data on your computer for Adobe to look at!

The argument makes much more sense now!
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Old 10-07-2014, 11:41 AM   #29
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So what exactly is the endgame? What is Adobe going to do with the data?

Forgive my ignorance, but I really don't know.
Probably sell it. Welcome to the wild west world of big data where companies feel they can mine your personal data and sell it, until somebody tell them they can't.

Companies want to know how many books you're buying from them rather then somebody else, how many books you have that you probably didn't pay for, how many books (and which) you're actually reading, how soon you read a book after you bought it... Your information in isolation isn't valuable but it also doesn't cost them anything to mine it. When you aggregate the data from all the computers that have the Adobe virus installed on then you have something you can sell.

Hopefully enough people will get outraged and government regulations will catch up.
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