E-ink technology versus LCD ?

erictoma · 12-01-2010, 02:35 PM

Do you think E-Ink technology is better than LCD for eyes or not?
Please participate in the poll above.

speedtouch · 12-01-2010, 02:37 PM

Absolutely. E-ink is way, way better for reading than LCD.

dura · 12-01-2010, 03:28 PM

Depends.
I love e-ink in the sun and by daylight, but in my dimly lit bedroom or in the dark I prefer my backlighted (ipad with the perkament background on ibooks and the backlight not very bright) above a light on the ereader (PRS350).

JSWolf · 12-01-2010, 03:33 PM

I cannot vote because there is no proper option to choose from.

It is not so cut and dry as LCD is better or worse then eink. There are mitigating factors like and iPad LCD is not as good in the sun. But in the house, the iPad LCD is fine. So there is just one example of how the options in the poll don't actually work.

erictoma · 12-01-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I cannot vote because there is no proper option to choose from.

It is not so cut and dry as LCD is better or worse then eink. There are mitigating factors like and iPad LCD is not as good in the sun. But in the house, the iPad LCD is fine. So there is just one example of how the options in the poll don't actually work.

You have pinpointed a good remark

Harmon · 12-01-2010, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erictoma

Do you think E-Ink technology is better than LCD for eyes or not?
Please participate in the poll above.

The objections to this poll on the grounds that sunlight is an issue miss the point. Sure, e-ink is better in sunlight, and LCD better in the dark.

But the question is, which is better FOR THE EYES. If you can't read one or the other because of lighting conditions, the issue of which is better for the eyes does not come up. You have to assume into the poll that the pollster is talking about the effect of either under optimum lighting conditions for the particular device.

My own objection to the poll is that e-ink is not a plural noun, and thus does not take a plural verb.

Aside from that, it has been scientifically proven that if the LCD is properly adjusted, it is no worse for your eyes than e-ink. Over time, with either, you will need glasses.

But my EXPERIENCE is that e-ink is easier on my eyes. I'm a Baby Boomer. It follows, therefore, that my EXPERIENCE trumps any damn stinking FACTS...

JeremyR · 12-01-2010, 08:29 PM

I dunno, I think there is more to e-ink than just ambient lighting vs light shining in your face.

For one, in ink, each letter is actually a filled in letter. On an LCD, even good one, it's still a bunch of little dots with spaces in them, it's really only an optical illusion that they look like solid letters to you.

I suspect the quality of the screen is important. On my PSP or DS, which you can actually see the lines between the dots, my eyes start hurting a lot quicker than on my computer LCD monitors.

ypocaramel · 12-01-2010, 09:18 PM

Not to discourage you from doing an opinion/experience poll, but on these things I'd personally prefer to rely on controlled studies and expert opinions.

Sweetpea · 12-02-2010, 01:47 AM

My option isn't there: neither. Both have their place. If I try to read my e-ink device in the livingroom I must squint too much, and if I try to read my lcd device during the day, Imust squint too much.

HansTWN · 12-02-2010, 04:17 AM

If I have enough light reflected on the e-ink screen, then in my experience e-ink is better for my eyes. But let us not start another war over this.

astrangerhere · 12-02-2010, 08:24 AM

I know this topic will likely get contentious with some people posting studies that LCDs in NO WAY cause eyestrain, and vice versa. However, I loved the way you phrased the poll as a personal preference.
As for me, I am a corporate attorney and I stare at a lovely flatpanel LCD computer monitor for ~10hrs a day. I used to go home and read on my palm pilot or blackberry. And then my lovely and beautiful partner got me a Nook. I find now that I can read for hours on top of the LCD screen use because it feels, to my eyes at least, like I am looking at a DTB page. I get headaches far less and find that I can really enjoy e-reading again in a way that I had not been able to since becoming an attorney nearly five years ago.

darknessangel · 12-02-2010, 10:08 AM

In reality I haven't read that long with the iPad but I've noticed that my old PRS-505 is better on my eyes. Anyways having both is never bad =P

JSWolf · 12-02-2010, 10:21 AM

So lets get some nice mod to delete the poll and just answer the question in posts instead.

Mortis · 12-02-2010, 11:08 AM

Having used a Kindle, albeit for a short time, an iPad, iPhone and any number of LCD's and since we are talking about reading, then I would say that the e-ink screen kills the LCD and from everything I have read (sorry no references to back this up) I gather that the general belief follows my "Opinion", for what it's worth.

In fact I find the iPad/iPhone the hardest one to read of the bunch, I find I can only stand to read for a couple of hours (I do a lot of reading at work). The iPhone is just too small for my eyes. Its not that the iPad is too bright, I don't know how to describe it, but too sharp? I can't think of another way to say it.

Because I work in Graphic arts, my days are spent in front of one type of screen or other. In the old days when we were still doing page layout on mono screens, we thought we had died and gone to heaven when we got a paper white portrait monitor (SONY, if I remember right, 25 years ago) to do the typesetting.

I found the Kindle to be closest to reading a paper book compared to the LCD, but does this mean everyone will also, I doubt it but you didn't ask for scientific reasoning, just an opinion.

"Opinions and a$$holes, everyones got one"

boswd · 12-02-2010, 11:20 AM

I have both and I found that I am really adjusting well to my nook color LCD. If you would have asked me a month ago, I would have said eink all the way But after some adjustments to the brightness and the background color, you can really fine tune it in.

I love both techs. never thought I would say that but you really do adjust. My nook eink comes in handy for outdoor reading and my nook color for low light reading.

View Poll Results: Please chose the correct answer
E-Ink are better for eyes from my own experiance	75	72.82%
E-ink are not any better for eyes compared to LCD from my own experiance	26	25.24%
E-Ink are worse for eyes from my own experiance	2	1.94%
Voters: 103. You may not vote on this poll

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speedtouch eBook Newbie Posts: 373 Karma: 1724 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kobo Clara HD	Absolutely. E-ink is way, way better for reading than LCD.

12-01-2010, 03:28 PM	#3
dura Groupie Posts: 174 Karma: 1062434 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Netherlands Device: Kobo H2O (2th edition), Kindle PW11	Depends. I love e-ink in the sun and by daylight, but in my dimly lit bedroom or in the dark I prefer my backlighted (ipad with the perkament background on ibooks and the backlight not very bright) above a light on the ereader (PRS350).

12-01-2010, 03:33 PM	#4
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,874 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I cannot vote because there is no proper option to choose from. It is not so cut and dry as LCD is better or worse then eink. There are mitigating factors like and iPad LCD is not as good in the sun. But in the house, the iPad LCD is fine. So there is just one example of how the options in the poll don't actually work.

12-01-2010, 08:29 PM	#7
JeremyR Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 2458402 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+	I dunno, I think there is more to e-ink than just ambient lighting vs light shining in your face. For one, in ink, each letter is actually a filled in letter. On an LCD, even good one, it's still a bunch of little dots with spaces in them, it's really only an optical illusion that they look like solid letters to you. I suspect the quality of the screen is important. On my PSP or DS, which you can actually see the lines between the dots, my eyes start hurting a lot quicker than on my computer LCD monitors.

12-01-2010, 09:18 PM	#8
ypocaramel Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Hong Kong Device: Sony Reader PRS-700, Barnes and Noble NOOKcolor)	Not to discourage you from doing an opinion/experience poll, but on these things I'd personally prefer to rely on controlled studies and expert opinions.

12-02-2010, 01:47 AM	#9
Sweetpea Grand Sorcerer Posts: 9,707 Karma: 32763414 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Krewerd Device: Pocketbook Inkpad 4 Color; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6	My option isn't there: neither. Both have their place. If I try to read my e-ink device in the livingroom I must squint too much, and if I try to read my lcd device during the day, Imust squint too much.

12-02-2010, 04:17 AM	#10
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	If I have enough light reflected on the e-ink screen, then in my experience e-ink is better for my eyes. But let us not start another war over this.

12-02-2010, 08:24 AM	#11
astrangerhere Professor of Law Posts: 3,638 Karma: 65526796 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Device: Kobo Elipsa, Kobo Libra H20, Kobo Aura One, KoboMini	I know this topic will likely get contentious with some people posting studies that LCDs in NO WAY cause eyestrain, and vice versa. However, I loved the way you phrased the poll as a personal preference. As for me, I am a corporate attorney and I stare at a lovely flatpanel LCD computer monitor for ~10hrs a day. I used to go home and read on my palm pilot or blackberry. And then my lovely and beautiful partner got me a Nook. I find now that I can read for hours on top of the LCD screen use because it feels, to my eyes at least, like I am looking at a DTB page. I get headaches far less and find that I can really enjoy e-reading again in a way that I had not been able to since becoming an attorney nearly five years ago.

12-02-2010, 10:08 AM	#12
darknessangel Addict Posts: 297 Karma: 1018140 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: PRS-505, iPad	In reality I haven't read that long with the iPad but I've noticed that my old PRS-505 is better on my eyes. Anyways having both is never bad =P

12-02-2010, 10:21 AM	#13
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,874 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	So lets get some nice mod to delete the poll and just answer the question in posts instead.

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12-02-2010, 11:08 AM	#14
Mortis Canucklehead in Malaysia Posts: 1,633 Karma: 3127774 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Device: iPhone, Kindle	Having used a Kindle, albeit for a short time, an iPad, iPhone and any number of LCD's and since we are talking about reading, then I would say that the e-ink screen kills the LCD and from everything I have read (sorry no references to back this up) I gather that the general belief follows my "Opinion", for what it's worth. In fact I find the iPad/iPhone the hardest one to read of the bunch, I find I can only stand to read for a couple of hours (I do a lot of reading at work). The iPhone is just too small for my eyes. Its not that the iPad is too bright, I don't know how to describe it, but too sharp? I can't think of another way to say it. Because I work in Graphic arts, my days are spent in front of one type of screen or other. In the old days when we were still doing page layout on mono screens, we thought we had died and gone to heaven when we got a paper white portrait monitor (SONY, if I remember right, 25 years ago) to do the typesetting. I found the Kindle to be closest to reading a paper book compared to the LCD, but does this mean everyone will also, I doubt it but you didn't ask for scientific reasoning, just an opinion. "Opinions and a$$holes, everyones got one"

12-02-2010, 11:20 AM	#15
boswd Banned Posts: 2,391 Karma: 1001781 Join Date: May 2010 Device: The Nook, Nook color and Droid X	I have both and I found that I am really adjusting well to my nook color LCD. If you would have asked me a month ago, I would have said eink all the way But after some adjustments to the brightness and the background color, you can really fine tune it in. I love both techs. never thought I would say that but you really do adjust. My nook eink comes in handy for outdoor reading and my nook color for low light reading.