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Based on the font and size I use, it's actually 6 lines (3 tops and 3 bottom), just saying.
On the other hand we don't know for sure that a substantial mass of people out there having a Kobo reader are not disappointed by this issue. It's hard to say one way or the other. But if many of us here on this small group on MR consider this an issue, by the laws of statistics it seems hard to believe that nobody else out there would agree with it being an issue. Last edited by Quexos; 05-17-2013 at 03:40 PM. |
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I redo most of my ebooks to a line spacing of 1.1 and zero margins to get as much on the screen as I can. I tried the hack using a 2.5.1 file to remove the header with the title and reverted back to the stock firmware. I find the consistency of appearance from epub to kepub is a plus for me. An option to remove it for those who don't want it? An option to use the bottom menu area for text? If such an implementation doesn't cause other issues or consume too much time and resources, ask for it and it might be given. As for the number of people here complaining? A quick count shows the number is not all that high and quite a few of those (Hi, JSWolf!) do not own a Kobo ereader. Regards, David |
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Why do you try to downplay the issue ?
Just cause the bottom space has been an issue from day one does not make it less of an issue. The thing with the new issue of the top wasted space has brought the issue of the bottom space back into light, that's all. My point is if by some miracle they fixed that top space issue by giving us the CHOICE of what we want (including even more blank spaces if that's what makes you happy, but as an option), that they might as well then deal with the bottom one, by allowing a full screen mode. Why is that so hard to understand ? why is CHOICE such a problem for some ? Quote:
What are you trying to say ? AGAIN that CHOICE should not be given, cause not enough people wanting it, not a real issue, bottom space never an issue to begin with etc ... Forgive me if I'm mistaken but it really feels like a full screen AGAIN AS AN OPTIONAL CHOICE is a big problem for you. And what does owning or not owning a Kobo reader have to do with anything. I do own one but even without one I still can see in reviews and other videos and photos that I don't like the wasted top/bottom space. Quote:
And I am really happy you do, I would never dream of downplaying what you consider a plus for you and if Kobo ever removed it though I would say that full screen works for me, I would still disagree with them removing options that work for you. Quote:
In other words our issues are not worthy of the dev's time and work so yeah if they have some spare time and take pity on our irrelevant issues about a full screen option and if it does not get in the way of REAL issues then sure, why not. Well thank you for that condescending note and blessing on our plight. Last edited by Quexos; 05-17-2013 at 06:30 PM. |
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As for choice, Kobo is not in the business of creating personalized firmware. They are trying to create firmware that will keep the majority of their customers happy enough to keep buying ebooks from them. At least, they damn well should be. Quote:
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I will admit to some curiousity as to which review you saw the wasted top space in. Quote:
Look at those 4 items 1. title bar 2. no covers for sideloaded books on a uSD card 3. WiFi connection issues 4. Slow reaction to USB being disconnected Care to venture a guess as to which one is at the bottom of my wish list? As for being condescending? That I don't agree with you that a full screen mode is an important option does not make me condescending. As for your "plight"? What—please try to be exact—is the danger, difficulty or hazard in the presence of the title bar on the top of the screen? Please note: the above comment is condescending. Regards, David |
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EDIT: Another factor to consider is that Kobo occupies different positions in different markets. In the U.S., it is clearly trailing devices like the Kindle. In Canada, it is a dominant player. In the E.U., I don't have a clue. I am guessing that technical features are more appealing in markets where they are secondary players, simply because consumers have to do more research to simply discover the alternative. In markets where they are the dominant player, there is going to be a drive to satisfy a broader market (i.e. non-technical users) simply because they don't want to lose that customer base. Last edited by BWinmill; 05-17-2013 at 10:07 PM. |
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Changing a preference setting in an update is just a poor business decision. I would be angry if I took my car in for an oil change and they changed my radio station settings. If they changed my radio stations and didn't allow me to change it back I would be really pissed. Why is this so hard to understand?
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For all of you poor broken souls who have been gutted due to the reader title change, you might want to peek into the developer's corner...
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I guess you are right, you are definitely not condescending at all, my mistake
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So you only downplay stuff you consider important, our issue is not even worthy of your contempt ? you are SOOO not condescending, I was so blind to think so "as if both happened at the same time" Yeah, you are right, that is the main issue here. Since it did not happen at the same time, why the hell are people talking about it, the problem is irrelevant because it did not happen at the same time, of course, what was I thinking. Please let me check my Aura again for text ... checking ... OM MY GOD You are so right, the bottom wasted space is MAGICALLY not an issue anymore, now that I realize that it did not happen AT THE SAME TIME, thank you for opening my eyes on that. Quote:
With such an open minded, non condescending person, nope I have no idea which could possibly be at the bottom. If I could venture a guess, I'd say there is no bottom as you seem to value others' priorites as much as yours. Quote:
I guess what you call condescending I would rather call irony. If you don't mind, let me try some experimental condescending of my own: No covers for sideloaded books ? Dude do you spend hours reading the cover or the book, seriously ! Wifi connection issues ? yeah we all do, but you don't see us whining about it Slow reaction to USB being disconnected ? Who cares, as long as it eventually gets disconnected, stop wasting the dev's time with such nonsense! Oh and did you check whether all these issues important to you HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME, because if they did not, according to your holy Gospel, they may not be actual issues anymore ... So what do you think ? not great condescending, but then again as I said, it was experimental and I lack practice. Also in this thread I try to focus on the issue that bothers me, not on belittling others' issues with the update and that is probably the main difference between you and me. Oh but wait, I forgot, you are not condescending, so again my mistake. Please never mind my lost and confused comments. Quote:
I almost forgot about this line that seems to be genuine well meant curiosity. I embedded a video of the review a few posts back in this thread, look for it and you will find it, I'll give you a hint, it's post #316 Last edited by Quexos; 05-18-2013 at 06:39 AM. |
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I understand that Kobo focuses on to optimize
The general message in this thread is mainly "don't mess with the reading space (too much) and use this space (more) efficient." The advice given may be called naive as it might suggest that developers or other involved Kobo personnel were not aware of "the problems/issues" or as it had not been part of the decision-making process. The suggestions made by users, feasible or not are primarily expressed to motivate their complaint and not necessarily a "(you must) do this". It may feel that way, though. We could also start a poll with just one question: "Do you like the new top header that Kobo introduced?" Answers to choose from: Yes, No, Doesn't bother me. Regardless the poll outcome, it doesn't answer the question: Why? Or, What can be done about it to improve it - keeping all corporate (financial budget) restraints in mind. Last edited by Anak; 05-18-2013 at 07:41 AM. |
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Thanks TechiSol for pointing this out. Works great. I did give the new update a go, actually found the smaller font for the title distracting, my eyes kept drifting to it because it felt out of place. Yes I get distracted easily by things like that I'm ADHD. And before Kobo goes ahead and just makes the font bigger, just add the option to display or NOT display the title, that is the answer. They did it with the page numbers on the right hand side of the screen, why not with the title.
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So, Dude, it is not a matter of staring at the cover on the sleep/power off screen, it's a matter of looking at the home screen. That is something I do much more often than gazing admiringly at the sleep/power off image. I'd already seen that video -- what I was looking for was one showing an epub with the title bar. In the video posted, the bottom of the screen shows the pages within the chapter which says it is showing a kepub not an epub. Kepubs had the title of the books showing at the top of the screen long before the introduction of the Aura. Check reviews of the Touch and Glo for examples. Part of what the reviewer said and I agree with is that kepub book do tend to use a wider line and paragraph spacing, wider than I prefer but, at most, 10 minutes with Sigil corrects that issue for epubs and non-DRMed kepubs. Part of this comes from the differences between the Adobe and ACCESS rendering engines – rename a epub to .kepub.epub and take a look at the difference in appearance. Much of the difference between how a Kobo device display epubs and the way other epub devices display them seems to follow Kobo's apparent philosophy of allowing styles specified in the ebook to control the appearance of the ebook. Line heights set in the style basically disable the line spacing slider, margins can be made wider but not narrower and there is no control over the paragraph spacing. I would have preferred the reviewer to have used the same font and font size on both devices so a comparison of the amount of text on the page would have been easier to do. I do realize that would require some familiarity with the devices which most reviewers do not have the opportunity to gain. Regards, David Last edited by DNSB; 05-18-2013 at 01:59 PM. |
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It has been my experience that these 'Mission Statements' only go as far as the bottom line or the consultants who instigate them.
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