Sigil 0.8.0 Released

[user_none]

Originally Posted by rubeus

Hi, i cant find a vesion >= 3,4 on that site as describes in the plugins documentation, onlya 3.3.4.

ActiveState doesn't appear to have a Python 3.4 build. You can use the build from the Python project as well, https://www.python.org/downloads/windows/ . They do have a 3.4 binary. Who you get it from really doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by rubeus

As i'm doinf nothing else with python which one is recommended?

It comes down to the plugin. Some plugins are written using Python 2 and some are using Python 3.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by rubeus

Hi, i cant find a version >= 3,4 on that site as describes in the plugins documentation, only a 3.3.4.

As i'm doing nothing else with python which one is recommended?

I've had good luck constructing plugins that work with ActiveState Python v3.3.4. If you're going to be creating your own plugins, there should be no reason why the most recent versions of Python 3 wouldn't work, but there are no guarantees.

You might be depriving yourself of using many other people's plugins, though if you don't have Python 2.7.x installed. You can have both (2.x, 3.x) installed on the same system without too much difficulty.

If you won't be doing any Python development of your own, I would probably recommend using the latest 2.7.x version of ActiveState's Python (until such time as there are Python 3.x-only Sigil plugins you want to try, of course). It is my hope that many plugin developers will strive to create plugins that will work with either Python 2 or 3 (but that may be wishful thinking on my part).

[Notjohn]

Originally Posted by user_none

See here.

Thank you so much! I adore Sigil as an e-book builder, and I was looking forward to pushing it into future decades, much as I have been pushing WordStar 7d into the 21st century from its last issue date about 1991, from DOS 4 and 5 to Windows 3 and so on down to Windows 7. Good software never dies!

That Sigil is still being worked on is a delight I had not anticipated.

[JSWolf]

Why can't rules be made that says that Python 2 has to be used for plugins? That would solve this problem once and for all.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why can't rules be made that says that Python 2 has to be used for plugins? That would solve this problem once and for all.

Because that would imply there WAS a problem. There is not. Devs can create plugins for either, and users can run plugins created for either. There is no battle being waged here. Stop trying to invent one.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Because that would imply there WAS a problem. There is not. Devs can create plugins for either, and users can run plugins created for either. There is no battle being waged here. Stop trying to invent one.

But the problem comes when you want to run a plugin created with Python 2 and a plugin written in Python 3. That means you have to have both versions of Python installed and you have to have some say of getting each to run the specific plugin. That's why it's just better to specify Python 2 be used and not Python 3.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But the problem comes when you want to run a plugin created with Python 2 and a plugin written in Python 3.

Not a problem.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

That means you have to have both versions of Python installed and you have to have some say of getting each to run the specific plugin.

Yes. Already accounted for. Again ... not a problem.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

That's why it's just better to specify Python 2 be used and not Python 3.

No... that's why it would be better for you to spend some time trying to understand how the Python plugin framework is currently set up instead of dreaming up imaginary problems.

Fact is: I'm currently running a Python 2.7 version of the KindleImport plugin and a Python 3.4 version of the Punctuation Smarten plugin on the same PC with no dire consequences.

[JSWolf]

So how does one get Python 2 (already installed and working) running along side Python 3 (not installed) without screwing up the working setup for Python 2? I'm using Windows 7 & Windows 8.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

So how does one get Python 2 (already installed and working) running along side Python 3 (not installed) without screwing up the working setup for Python 2? I'm using Windows 7 & Windows 8.

There's plenty of documentation on how to have different versions of Python installed on the same Windows machine. It's not really an uncommon practice at all (one is the default python and the other is not). But this thread is probably not the best place to have the discussion. Google is your friend. But perhaps you shouldn't worry about it until you find a plugin that you're just dying to use, but is only available for Python 3.

[crutledge]

Is Python 3.4 an Upgrade to Python 2.7?

If it is, would not tools built under 2.7 run under 3.4?

[PeterT]

Originally Posted by crutledge

Is Python 3.4 an Upgrade to Python 2.7?

If it is, would not tools built under 2.7 run under 3.4?

Unfortunately not. There are some major changes between Python 2.x and 3.x.

[blackest]

Just built a DMG of 0.8.0 for Lion (built on 10.7.5) as the previous version that worked on lion was 0.6.1 i'm looking for somewhere to upload it too. Any suggestions?

[varlog]

Originally Posted by blackest

Just built a DMG of 0.8.0 for Lion (built on 10.7.5) as the previous version that worked on lion was 0.6.1 i'm looking for somewhere to upload it too. Any suggestions?

blackest hmmm?

[BetterRed]

Dumb question - am I right in thinking that Sigil require the user to install the Python developer tools (and perhaps multiple versions thereof) to use its plug-ins. And is this a 'for now' or a 'for ever' situation.

I have a swag of applications that have plug-ins - calibre, notepad++, irfanview, The Gimp, Fast Picture Viewer etc. AFAIK none of them require me to download developer tools to use any of the plug-ins.

BR

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Dumb question - am I right in thinking that Sigil require the user to install the Python developer tools (and perhaps multiple versions thereof) to use its plug-ins.

The two plugins I've installed for Sigil are for Python 2. I do not have any developer tools installed and the one plugin I did try worked as advertised.