New E-Ink displays...err...displayed!

LDBoblo · 04-20-2010, 12:04 PM

I just stumbled across this, and thought I'd pass it on.
http://www.slashgear.com/e-ink-next-...demos-2082480/

Some demos for the next generation of E-Ink. Some may be interested.

pilotbob · 04-20-2010, 12:08 PM

I think about 2010 Christmas or 2011 Spring i will be ready to replace my Kindle 1... and I will certainly hold out for a device with these new screens. I hope and expect it will be a Kindle 3.

Thanks for the video.

BOb

HarryT · 04-20-2010, 12:23 PM

Nice, but notice that the screen refresh time appears to be of the order of about 5s! Very definitely still a prototype.

LDBoblo · 04-20-2010, 12:25 PM

I was personally hoping to see a side-by-side of the new Vizplex and the old version, so the supposed contrast difference could be seen. Too bad about the release date and the general slogginess of their demo unit, but oh well.

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Nice, but notice that the screen refresh time appears to be of the order of about 5s! Very definitely still a prototype.

It's not even a prototype device, but just a portable screen demo. E-Ink/PVI isn't doing the hardware outside the screen itself. Speed of underlying hardware/software will be the responsibility of other companies.

pilotbob · 04-20-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Nice, but notice that the screen refresh time appears to be of the order of about 5s! Very definitely still a prototype.

I wonder if some of that was loading the animation... because it seemed to be pretty fluid... which would talk to refresh rate of the screen.

I think they are going to need faster memory and controllers to really use the potential of this screen.

As you said, it is a very early prototype.

BOb

HarryT · 04-20-2010, 12:33 PM

Looking at that animation, what would you estimate its frame rate was? 2 or 3 frames a second, it looked like to me. That speed could probably be achieved with current devices, especially using partial refresh of a small area of the screen. Hold down the page turn button of a Sony PRS-600 and it flips pages at about 3 or 4 pages a second.

pilotbob · 04-20-2010, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Nice, but notice that the screen refresh time appears to be of the order of about 5s! Very definitely still a prototype.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Looking at that animation, what would you estimate its frame rate was? 2 or 3 frames a second,

Right, so 3 fps means the refresh time is much less than 5s. As I said, I think the time was in loading the animation.

But, I am more interested in the increased contrast than the ability to play animations.

BOb

LDBoblo · 04-20-2010, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Looking at that animation, what would you estimate its frame rate was? 2 or 3 frames a second, it looked like to me. That speed could probably be achieved with current devices, especially using partial refresh of a small area of the screen. Hold down the page turn button of a Sony PRS-600 and it flips pages at about 3 or 4 pages a second.

Partial refreshes are going much faster than 2-3fps. The speaker said that the animations can be done on the existing Vizplex as well.

The emphasis was greater contrast.

dmaul1114 · 04-20-2010, 03:01 PM

Doesn't look like it will do enough for me to want e-ink for my work reading (would pretty much have to catch LCD speed for that).

And my K1 will be fine for novel reading indefinitely.

Dulin's Books · 04-20-2010, 03:29 PM

Ill be SID in Seattle in May so Ill make sure to get more info.

Current vizplex does display animation.

Dulin's Books · 04-20-2010, 03:36 PM

the increase in contrast is the first step to color adoption since it allows them to add the filter layers while maintaining current "acceptable" contrast levels overall.

Jumpn Jack Flash · 04-21-2010, 12:19 PM

Yes the second demo is more important (I think) with the plastic display starting next year and at the very,very end, colour filters.

charleski · 04-21-2010, 07:44 PM

Demonstrator: "...almost doubling the contrast."
Clueless Tech journo: "And the advantage of that is better legibility outside in the daylight?"
The advantage of higher contrast ratio is better legibility inside and in conditions where the light is dim. eInk has never had a problem in full daylight.

BookCat · 04-22-2010, 04:22 AM

I'm more impressed by this than any e-ink devices I've seen, apart, of course, from the prs 505. If they get it up and running for a reasonable price, and I have the money at the time, I might consider this: the contrast is the big selling factor.

Jellby · 04-22-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Looking at that animation, what would you estimate its frame rate was? 2 or 3 frames a second, it looked like to me.

It looks more like ~10 fps to me.

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LDBoblo Wizard Posts: 1,385 Karma: 16056 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Asia Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Sony PRS-505	New E-Ink displays...err...displayed! I just stumbled across this, and thought I'd pass it on. http://www.slashgear.com/e-ink-next-...demos-2082480/ Some demos for the next generation of E-Ink. Some may be interested.

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pilotbob Grand Sorcerer Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch	I think about 2010 Christmas or 2011 Spring i will be ready to replace my Kindle 1... and I will certainly hold out for a device with these new screens. I hope and expect it will be a Kindle 3. Thanks for the video. BOb

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Nice, but notice that the screen refresh time appears to be of the order of about 5s! Very definitely still a prototype.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Looking at that animation, what would you estimate its frame rate was? 2 or 3 frames a second, it looked like to me. That speed could probably be achieved with current devices, especially using partial refresh of a small area of the screen. Hold down the page turn button of a Sony PRS-600 and it flips pages at about 3 or 4 pages a second.

04-20-2010, 03:01 PM	#9
dmaul1114 Wizard Posts: 2,300 Karma: 1121709 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Amazon Kindle 1	Doesn't look like it will do enough for me to want e-ink for my work reading (would pretty much have to catch LCD speed for that). And my K1 will be fine for novel reading indefinitely.

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Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	Ill be SID in Seattle in May so Ill make sure to get more info. Current vizplex does display animation.

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Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	the increase in contrast is the first step to color adoption since it allows them to add the filter layers while maintaining current "acceptable" contrast levels overall.

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Jumpn Jack Flash Lazy Git Posts: 124 Karma: 1266 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The soggy Emerald Isle Device: iRex DR800S	Yes the second demo is more important (I think) with the plastic display starting next year and at the very,very end, colour filters.

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charleski Wizard Posts: 1,196 Karma: 1281258 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: PRS-505	Demonstrator: "...almost doubling the contrast." Clueless Tech journo: "And the advantage of that is better legibility outside in the daylight?" The advantage of higher contrast ratio is better legibility inside and in conditions where the light is dim. eInk has never had a problem in full daylight.

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BookCat C L J Posts: 2,911 Karma: 21115458 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Device: Sony e-reader 505, Kindle PW2, Kindle PW3, Kobo Libra2	I'm more impressed by this than any e-ink devices I've seen, apart, of course, from the prs 505. If they get it up and running for a reasonable price, and I have the money at the time, I might consider this: the contrast is the big selling factor.

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