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Old 07-08-2020, 11:26 AM   #256
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I have maybe 4k books on my 8GB Aura One, and still have more than 5GB free. Extra memory only makes sense for non-book applications, and this is a poor choice of device for those applications anyway.
Depends on the books you are reading. If you are into graphics novels or manga, the space requirements are much higher.
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Old 07-08-2020, 11:47 AM   #257
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I have maybe 4k books on my 8GB Aura One, and still have more than 5GB free.
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interesting i have 3542 books (all kepubs) on a 32GB external micro SD card taking up 9.37GB.
Huh, you two got me curious. I have 3,701 books on my Clara, all kepub. I have 1.19GB free. I use the Touch Extended driver to upload grayscale covers instead of color.

Weird how a similar number of books take up such different amounts of space.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:02 PM   #258
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:02 PM   #259
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Huh, you two got me curious. I have 3,701 books on my Clara, all kepub. I have 1.19GB free. I use the Touch Extended driver to upload grayscale covers instead of color.

Weird how a similar number of books take up such different amounts of space.
Do you have a way to look at the full file system? Specifically the database?
If not, try copying the same ebook files to a PC file system and see how much space they take.

Raw ebook files are usually zipped and a lot of gadgets store content internally in an uncompressed form in their object store. It's to make the system more responsive. Modern ereaders don't necessarily have to do it but every bit helps.
(I'm fairly sure kindles 2's did this.)

Is KEPUB typically bulkier than Adept epub?

Lots of possible explanations with proprietary data stores...
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:21 PM   #260
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Depends on the books you are reading. If you are into graphics novels or manga, the space requirements are much higher.
But you also probably aren't buying a 212ppi device in that case, are you?
I'm not saying there is never a need for more space, I'm saying that if you are designing a cheap-as-possible device to compete with the basic Kindle, it is a pointless extra cost to incur.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:43 PM   #261
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So there's no reason why the Nia may not be priced less then the Kindle Basic.
There's the screen, for starters.

Also, which Kindle Basic are you comparing to?
With special deals, with the deals, or the every other month sales?

Products aren't typically priced *solely* on build cost.
Pricing depends on competition, product positioning, product *line* composition, and marketing strategy. Kindles in particular are priced artificially and aligned in a good-better-best lineup where Paperwhite is the intended baseline with a decent baseline, Basic is meant to be a minimal margin product, and Oasis is premium priced low volume reader.

Pricing Nia under Kindle Basic's highest price is easy, pricing it below the lowest would almost certainly be selling at a loss.

Also bear in mind that a lot of people--the majority, actually--choose a bookstore first and the reader second. That's the whole whole point of walled gardens.

Kobo's aren't aimed at Kindle customers.
Very few people with Kindles are going to abandon their investment in Kindle books to save a few bucks. Instead, Kobo readers are targetted at total newcomers, epub believers, and enthusiasts looking for specific features.

People might buy Kobos for their features but most people buy Kindles for the books. So Amazon gets away with less features and smaller margins because they'll make it up on the books. Again, that's the whole point of walled garden, especially in mature markets like the US and UK.

Think about it: Amazon might make $20-30 on a paperwhite sale.
One time.
They can easily make $3 a month of mire on ebooks, for several years. That adds up.

Other than Canada, Kobo can't count on that.
Everwhere else they have to contend with other epub vendors so the can hope to sell ebooks (revenue they need to share with the Tolino alliance and other local partners) but they're not guaranteed.

In fact, as pointed out here regularly, lots of folks buy their readers from Kobo, Nook, Pocketbook, or whatever, and buy at least some books from Amazon.

Every Kobo reader sale has to justify itself upfront. Just in case.
Kindles don't. The only reason you don't see $10 Kindle Basics is because the trustbusters wouldn't like it.

B&N discovered long ago that competing with Amazon on price doesn't pay. If you have a better screen, charge more. If you have lower volume, charge more. If you have better software features, charge more. And if they advertise a higher *list* price, keep quiet. Because they can always go lower at will.

You do not want another Three Hour Price War.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:49 PM   #262
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But you also probably aren't buying a 212ppi device in that case, are you?
I'm not saying there is never a need for more space, I'm saying that if you are designing a cheap-as-possible device to compete with the basic Kindle, it is a pointless extra cost to incur.
Especially when that 212 dpi screen costs more than the Basic's 167dpi screen.
It doesn't matter exactly what it costs to build the Nia, the Basic will always cost less to build. Trying to undercut Basic is just giving money away.

Basic is what the name says: the cheapest ereader anybody can hope to sell for a reasonable profit. It's the market floor.
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Huh, you two got me curious. I have 3,701 books on my Clara, all kepub. I have 1.19GB free. I use the Touch Extended driver to upload grayscale covers instead of color.

Weird how a similar number of books take up such different amounts of space.

it's easier than you might think. i have many of the Delphi Classics complete works. for example Mr Charles Dickens is 147MB and Mr Jules Verne is 98MB. just those two kepubs are 245MB. it's the reason why having an external Micro SD card is a must for me.

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