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Here's one of these studies (a report from the European Commission):
http://ftp.jrc.es/EURdoc/JRC79605.pdf The core points are that DRM discourages sales, piracy increases sales, and that the financial losses due to piracy are not as significant as claimed by the industry. However, it is in regard to music piracy, not to e-books. While there are many parallels (more than between software and music), there are some differences, too (e.g.. you won't "hear" an e-book and then buy it -- most e-book stores do offer samples already, and we don't read the same books over and over). |
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I don't dispute the truth of that report, Mivo; I just don't see its relevance. It's equally true to say that someone who uses the bus to get to work and sometimes pays their fare and sometimes doesn't is a greater source of revenue to the bus company than a person who doesn't use the bus at all. Does that excuse the occasions on which the person doesn't pay the fare, or do they still get fined when they're caught not paying?
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What I was discussing was the claim that people pirating e-books, music or movies jeopardizes the livelihood of the artists. That I do question. This isn't clear-cut at all to me and I don't see evidence that suggests that it is a big deal. Certainly not big enough to invade the privacy of customers and impose additional disadvantages for buying books. This doesn't discourage piracy. It encourages it. There is something fundamentally flawed if buying a book is a worse deal than pirating it (cost aside, obviously). DRM is basically a slap in the face of the people who are willing to pay money. If I fought like this with my customers, I'd soon have none. I do feel that it's fruitful to focus on practical aspects. The "why" people pirate instead of buying, and how that could be addressed. Punishment works to a degree (takes unreasonable amounts of resources), but I much prefer positive encouragement. It's more effective and also much cheaper. In a perfect world, people wouldn't pirate. But in a perfect world, DRM wouldn't exist and people could re-sell their e-books and digitally purchased music, too, and authors would get the biggest share of the money their works yield, and not the smallest part. But we're not living in a perfect world, so I think it's worthwhile to look at the reasons for piracy and address those that can be addressed reasonably. Getting stuck on those who never buy anything is aggravating and unproductive. They don't matter economically. |
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If you really wanna fight against this you have to control the complete internet and every site every person looks at, and very file one download or send to other people. And thats for sure a matter of privacy. Last edited by samy2; 09-02-2013 at 08:24 AM. |
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Most e-books in the Netherlands are now DRM free (exception is Google Play) and according to BREIN that is only possible if they have the information of buyers. They have not given any details what they want to do with it, but they have hinted. They will monitor the version circulating to see if some buyers frequently upload books they buy. If they will, they will get sued by BREIN.
So far only BOL has mentioned they will not give the information, but as this seems strange as the distributor of the books has it in the contract. So in theory BOL would not be able to sell the latest books... BREIN is known for not being too smart, but winning a lot of cases. They have near unlimited funds, as they are paid by music publishers and now apparently also book publishers. They only start cases where a judge resides that is also part of commissions doing investigation after piracy and so on. Some things are really fishy... They also claim that all scientific investigations regarding piracy are false and not done correct. They claim their own investigations, which of course show that piracy is a big issue and results in great losses, are the only ones that are correct. However, they do not specify their own methods, so nobody can check it. It is a scary, corporately funded group that thinks they are the law. |
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a) I have a personal stake in this, so I am extremely biased. b) Every country in the world has laws which some people think are bad. Does it make the country immoral? No, of course it doesn't. I am against those who download pirated content, and the reason I am is that I see my software, which I've worked damned hard on for 20+ years, illegally offered for sale on eBay, uploaded to Usenet newsgroups, etc, on a virtually weekly basis, and it hurts to see that, so I hope you'll understand that I do take it personally . |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...ing_Collective But, if the above link is correct, authors, and both book and software publishers, get nothing from that fund. And, as far as I can tell, the Canadian free pass on some downloading does not apply to books. So, if Canada is typical of the high civilized countries you are thinking of, this may not apply to the thread. When an author writes a book, and a publisher releases it, there is an implicit social contract that their intellectual property will be protected in roughly the manner prescribed by law. The author couldn't reasonably think that there will be zero shoplifting and piracy. But there's a reasonable expectation that some effort will be made to keep down the rate at which books are appropriated contrary to copyright, especially in the more prosperous nations, and especially in the country the book is published in. Compare this to the situation where paper books are borrowed and sold. The author, when writing the book, had no expectation this would be restricted, so there's no unfairness involved. Legislatures could fairly pass a law stating that, going forward, all new eBooks can be freely pirated. While fair, I don't think it would be kind to authors, and editors, and the families they support. And I think it would harm me as a reader. Quote:
Putting aside my emotions concerning the boss, it's just not rational to think my boss is going to pay me that "better" wage. If I am willing to work for zero wages, the official price of my labor becomes irrelevant. We as thrifty readers are that boss. Personally, if I was allowed, in all senses of the word, to download a book for free, I wouldn't download it for $10, or $5, or $1, or one cent. A mistake. More used cars, or books, sold means higher resale value. Higher resale value and used item cost means publishers can charge more for the new item. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 09-02-2013 at 09:38 PM. |
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