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You get no debate from me about book pricing being pretty much whatever. But the publishers had established a vibrant market for new books at $25-$30 retail....allowing sellers to give 25% to 40% off as standard practice. The wholesale price was $12.50 or so.
Amazon courting their own authors and selling books on the cheap....is a completely different thing than selling the best seller list at $9.99. It’s also different than having a book or two as loss leaders. Putting the entire NYT's best sellers as loss leaders would destroy the perceived value of a new book. And it worked. Just listen to all here who scream that $14.99 for a new release book is highway robber when $25 for a new book never was. |
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07-30-2019, 12:59 AM | #65 |
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It's always been highway robbery IMHO. I've been around for several decades, and I have hardly ever purchased a new release book. I would say "never" because I can't remember purchasing any, but there just had to be one here or there that I've forgotten about. So I'll say "hardly ever" to be on the safe side. My decision to wait for the mass market paperback offering to come out is because new release book prices have always been too high IMHO. I know other people will pay the price for a new release, and that's fine. It's their money. I just found no reason to spend mine in that manner.
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07-30-2019, 01:02 AM | #67 | |
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But, if they thought there was a strong case against Amazon they should have brought a lawsuit to court instead of breaking the law with their end-run collusion decision. I've got a feeling they knew their case was too weak and, besides, they figured they were too big to be beaten in court. Not the first time Apple's tactics misfired or that they overestimated their lawyer's abilities. |
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Good point. And I think a strong argument could be made that the big publisher's eBooks (which cost next to nothing to produce, stock and distribute) are overpriced.
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07-30-2019, 06:26 AM | #70 | |
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It seems as though this could hurt the publishers authors? Long wait times for limited number of copies could drive readers to discover new authors of other publishers. |
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07-30-2019, 08:18 AM | #71 |
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Windowing seems like such a non-issue to me. First, it seems to imply a steady stream of new books, so that having to wait eight weeks means you need to go eight weeks without library books, which is silly. In any case, new books aren't released in a constant steady stream; there are seasons during which the books expected to be most popular are released at once.
Second, when I see a new book at Overdrive and my library has one copy with a long waiting list already, I know they will be buying more. So you get on the list and see your wait time decrease drastically once the purchases hit the system. I think libraries may play a game of waiting to assess demand before committing to purchases, which seems reasonable. Windowing will just make that inherent. I know some here feel they must read a new book by a favorite author as soon as it's released and why not? But they buy it. Personally, I can only identify two types of books where it's important to read it right away. The first are topical books, especially about the political scene, where you want to be part of the conversation when it comes out and by waiting six months not only have you missed out on the chatter, it's old news. With that type of book, exhaustive news coverage of all the best bits makes it less compelling for me anyway. The other, extremely limited type of immediate must read, is such an overwhelmingly popular fiction book that it would be impossible to avoid being spoiled if you don't read it now and stay offline while you do it, too. The last Harry Potter book was like that; if GRRM ever came out with the next book in his saga, it would be another. Not saying various communities don't have others where you need to read the book right away or miss out on the squeeing, (maybe the next Outlander?), but there really can't be that many of them for any one person. TL;DR: Go ahead, window. It won't affect me and I doubt it will affect most people. |
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The only hardback books I have bought have been textbooks and Harry Potter. I paid through the nose for the first but bought the second on deep discounts for release day (5-7, didn't start until then). The price of hardbacks is outrageous, fortunately all my favorite authors are in paperback/ebook upon release.
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It was a win/win because Apple didn't think they did anything wrong. They basically did the same thing with music. The publishers did get caught colluding, but Apple simply said, hey if you want to set the price, that's fine with us, just don't sell it to someone else for less, a fairly standard clause for such deals. The decision caused major damage because Apple finally said, screw it, we are just going to stick with servicing existing Apple customers and not push the ebook store, thus removing a major competitor from the ebook market. Major win for Amazon, which is why they worked with the DOJ to make it happen that way. Last edited by pwalker8; 07-30-2019 at 10:17 AM. |
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