Hyphenation under epub3

RbnJrg · 02-19-2019, 10:49 AM

By chance, does anyone know how to enable hyphens under epub3? The following css properties seem not to have any effect with ADE 4.5x:

Code:

p {
   -epub-hyphens: auto;
   adobe-hyphenate: auto;
   -webkit-hyphens: auto;
   hyphens: auto;
}

Regards
Rubén

momoha · 02-25-2019, 07:02 AM

I am using the Blitz framework with ePub3 and hyphenation is happening in ADE. Here’s the CSS (the class justified is applied on the body, not the paragraphs):

.justified {
/* Designed as a class for body — We don't enforce as user setting > author */
text-align: justify;
adobe-hyphenate: auto;
/* proprietary for Legacy RMSDK */
-ms-hyphens: auto;
-moz-hyphens: auto;
-webkit-hyphens: auto;
-epub-hyphens: auto;
hyphens: auto;
/* before and after not in spec but iBooks support all three (-webkit-) */
-ms-hyphenate-limit-lines: 3;
-moz-hyphenate-limit-lines: 3;
-webkit-hyphenate-limit-lines: 3;
hyphenate-limit-lines: 3;
/* No support except Trident (Windows) and Webkit (old deprecated spec) */
-ms-hyphenate-limit-chars: 6 3 2;
-moz-hyphenate-limit-chars: 6 3 2;
-webkit-hyphenate-limit-before: 3;
-webkit-hyphenate-limit-after: 2;
hyphenate-limit-chars: 6 3 2;
/* No support except Trident (Windows) */
-ms-hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%;
-moz-hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%;
-webkit-hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%;
hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%;
/* No support */
-ms-hyphenate-limit-last: always;
-moz-hyphenate-limit-last: always;
-webkit-hyphenate-limit-last: always;
hyphenate-limit-last: always;
}

RbnJrg · 02-25-2019, 10:14 AM

Thank you very much momoha!!! Your code does work!!!

The properties involved are very complex and I didn't know many of them. So, many thanks again.

Rubén

EDIT: Your styles also work in <p> tags, so if I add the properties you indicated me in

Code:

p {
...
}

and nothing in <body> it also works!!

By chance, do you have something to handle "breaks" after some tags? Because "page-break-after: avoid" (or "break-after: avoid") under epub3 with ADE doesn't work. Hopefully you have something for that too

DeepVoid · 02-10-2023, 01:57 PM

I apologize for resuming this old thread, but I'm trying to add hyphenation to an epub book, and the solution proposed by Momoha only works in Kindle Previewer 3. When I send the epub to my Paperwhite (11th gen), hyphenation is gone :-(

Any hint to figure out what to do?

Quoth · 02-10-2023, 03:26 PM

No Kindle does epub. Amazon converts them with nearly secret rules.
Or did you use Calibre to convert to azw3?

JSWolf · 02-10-2023, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepVoid

I apologize for resuming this old thread, but I'm trying to add hyphenation to an epub book, and the solution proposed by Momoha only works in Kindle Previewer 3. When I send the epub to my Paperwhite (11th gen), hyphenation is gone :-(

Any hint to figure out what to do?

Do not use send to kindle. That won't work. You'll have to use Calibre to convert ePub to KF8. Once you have the KF8, use Hyphenate This! (plugin) to add soft hyphens. From there you have to side load your KF8 to your Kindle. That's what works. It's what I do.

DeepVoid · 02-11-2023, 07:33 AM

I really thank you for your hints, guys!!!

I managed to solve the issue with some little workarounds, and above all I was able to use the "Send to Kindle" webservice to sync the epub file with its hyphenation to my Amazon cloud!!!

So, no need for sideloading the book, which would have ended in the know issue of the lacking cover and the unability to sync the book across all my devices.

Here is the recipe:

Edit your book as usual (I use Sigil 1.9.20 to generate the epub3 final file).
Import the epub file into Calibre (I'm using Calibre ver. 6.12) and use the Hyphenate This! plugin to generate the hyphenation. Since I'm editing a book written in italian, I installed an italian hyphenation dictionary, which I send with this very message, should someone else like me needs to work with italian (just unzip it and load its .dic file in the Hyphenate This! settings panel). If you work with different languages, you'll need to find a proper .dic file, of course (just search in the LibreOffice extensions repository).

Important: Make sure that the language metadata for the book is set to "Italian" (or to the language you're using) with Calibre's "Edit Metadata" function before using Hyphenate This!.
Finally, send the epub file generated with Calibre to the Kindle (I configured my device's email in Calibre to quickly send the book, but you can also use your email client to send the file as attachment, or use the Amazon's webservice "Send To Kindle").

And that's all, folks!

Your book will show up in your Kindle after a little crunching by the Amazon servers, and will be synchronized across all your devices with its precious cover and its beloved hyphenation

I'm doing some testing right now with my Kindle (a Paperwhite 11th gen) and it seems to work like a breeze, no issues whatsoever, perfect hyphenation across the entire book, very high satisfaction

Hope this helps

DeepVoid · 02-11-2023, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

No Kindle does epub

They do, now

Quoth · 02-11-2023, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepVoid

They do, now

No, they do not.

Amazon has accepted epub as a preferred upload source for KDP & KDP Select for years. It's now preferred source for "Send to Kindle" (email or web). It's converted to mobi, azw3 etc.

It's preferable to use USB transfer, in which case you do your own conversion if it's not mobi, azw, azw3 or KFX.

Both transfer systems require that there is no DRM, unless it's a Kindle file copied off that exact Kindle earlier.

DeepVoid · 02-11-2023, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

No, they do not

Whatever, I hate sideloading via usb transfer because of its drawbacks, books loose their cover, and there is no way to sync them on your cloud account. I can easily manage epubs, now, without the need to convert them to mobi or anything else before sending them to the Paperwhite, and this is enough for me, to stay within the kindle ecosystem a little longer.

JSWolf · 02-11-2023, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepVoid

I really thank you for your hints, guys!!!

I managed to solve the issue with some little workarounds, and above all I was able to use the "Send to Kindle" webservice to sync the epub file with its hyphenation to my Amazon cloud!!!

So, no need for sideloading the book, which would have ended in the know issue of the lacking cover and the unability to sync the book across all my devices.

Calibre has a work around for missing covers. If you have WiFi on and the cover get lost, just plug the Kindle back into Calibre to have he covers sorted. It's that easy.

One thing you have to do that I don't do is turn on WiFi every time you want to add books. It means you then upload all kinds of stuff back to Amazon.

JSWolf · 02-11-2023, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepVoid

Whatever, I hate sideloading via usb transfer because of its drawbacks, books loose their cover, and there is no way to sync them on your cloud account. I can easily manage epubs, now, without the need to convert them to mobi or anything else before sending them to the Paperwhite, and this is enough for me, to stay within the kindle ecosystem a little longer.

You are so very wrong. There are no drawbacks to using Calibre ot send eBooks. See my previous post about the covers.

The Kindle ecosystem is full of pollution.

And saying whatever when you are wrong is very snarky and you really should apologize.

DeepVoid · 02-11-2023, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You are so very wrong

I'll make my peace with it, it's the story of my whole life.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

There are no drawbacks to using Calibre ot send eBooks

There are, indeed. Cloud sync is so necessary for me. My needs, my wrongs.

Tex2002ans · 02-23-2023, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepVoid

I apologize for resuming this old thread, but I'm trying to add hyphenation to an epub book, [...]

Any hint to figure out what to do?

For CSS hyphens to work, it requires:

Your device to have the proper Hyphenation Dictionaries for your language.
Your ebook to be marked with the proper HTML language.

For example, Kobo has great support, and even allows you to add your own custom dictionaries for any language.

Kindles are locked down, so if Amazon hasn't added a hyphenation dictionary for (RandomLanguageX), you're out of luck.

- - - -

Side Note: According to jhowell in 2021, your Kindle should already support Italian hyphenation:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhowell

The hyphenation dictionary languages are: English, German, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Russian, Dutch, Hindi, Gujarati, Tamil, and Malayalam.

So, having no hyphenation automatically happening on your Kindle, something else must've been wrong.

- - -

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepVoid

I managed to solve the issue with some little workarounds, [...]

[...] use the Hyphenate This! plugin to generate the hyphenation.

I'd put a very huge WARNING label on this.

Only use Hyphenate This! on an ebook:

You are going to be personally reading.
As a very, very last resort.
- Like if your ereader is really old.

DO NOT ever use it on a book you're trying to sell.

It completely fills the book full of SOFT HYPHENS... and while it may LOOK like "hyphenation now works", it can cause many other problems with:

Search
Spellchecking
Copy/Pasting
Dictionary popups
- Where you press+hold on words.
[...]

(More disadvantages listed in my 2021 post.)

It's much better to do hyphenation automatically + on your actual device.

(Luckily, things have been getting much better in the past few years!)

- - -

Side Note #2: For all the hyphenation info you'll ever need to know... I've written A TON about it:

I'd also recommend just typing this into your favorite search engine:

Code:

hyphenation Tex2002ans site:mobileread.com

The past few years, I've been really explaining why:

Marking your ebook + HTML language properly

is super important. And proper hyphenation is one of the key reasons!

JSWolf · 02-24-2023, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

I'd put a very huge WARNING label on this.

Only use Hyphenate This! on an ebook:

You are going to be personally reading.
As a very, very last resort.
- Like if your ereader is really old.

DO NOT ever use it on a book you're trying to sell.

It completely fills the book full of SOFT HYPHENS... and while it may LOOK like "hyphenation now works", it can cause many other problems with:

Search
Spellchecking
Copy/Pasting
Dictionary popups
- Where you press+hold on words.
[...]

I believe that search still works on a Kindle when soft hyphens are using with KF8. I do not know about the rest of the gotchas in your list.

02-19-2019, 10:49 AM	#1
RbnJrg Wizard Posts: 1,567 Karma: 7043711 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Rosario - Santa Fe - Argentina Device: Kindle 4 NT	Hyphenation under epub3 By chance, does anyone know how to enable hyphens under epub3? The following css properties seem not to have any effect with ADE 4.5x: Code: p { -epub-hyphens: auto; adobe-hyphenate: auto; -webkit-hyphens: auto; hyphens: auto; } Regards Rubén

02-25-2019, 10:14 AM	#3
RbnJrg Wizard Posts: 1,567 Karma: 7043711 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Rosario - Santa Fe - Argentina Device: Kindle 4 NT	Thank you very much momoha!!! Your code does work!!! The properties involved are very complex and I didn't know many of them. So, many thanks again. Rubén EDIT: Your styles also work in <p> tags, so if I add the properties you indicated me in Code: p { ... } and nothing in <body> it also works!! By chance, do you have something to handle "breaks" after some tags? Because "page-break-after: avoid" (or "break-after: avoid") under epub3 with ADE doesn't work. Hopefully you have something for that too Last edited by RbnJrg; 02-25-2019 at 10:34 AM.

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momoha Annabelle Viau Posts: 43 Karma: 16664 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Rishikesh, India Device: iPad, Kobo, Windows 10 (ADE, Azardi), Android (Google Books, Bluefire)	I am using the Blitz framework with ePub3 and hyphenation is happening in ADE. Here’s the CSS (the class justified is applied on the body, not the paragraphs): .justified { /* Designed as a class for body — We don't enforce as user setting > author / text-align: justify; adobe-hyphenate: auto; / proprietary for Legacy RMSDK / -ms-hyphens: auto; -moz-hyphens: auto; -webkit-hyphens: auto; -epub-hyphens: auto; hyphens: auto; / before and after not in spec but iBooks support all three (-webkit-) / -ms-hyphenate-limit-lines: 3; -moz-hyphenate-limit-lines: 3; -webkit-hyphenate-limit-lines: 3; hyphenate-limit-lines: 3; / No support except Trident (Windows) and Webkit (old deprecated spec) / -ms-hyphenate-limit-chars: 6 3 2; -moz-hyphenate-limit-chars: 6 3 2; -webkit-hyphenate-limit-before: 3; -webkit-hyphenate-limit-after: 2; hyphenate-limit-chars: 6 3 2; / No support except Trident (Windows) / -ms-hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%; -moz-hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%; -webkit-hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%; hyphenate-limit-zone: 10%; / No support */ -ms-hyphenate-limit-last: always; -moz-hyphenate-limit-last: always; -webkit-hyphenate-limit-last: always; hyphenate-limit-last: always; }

02-10-2023, 01:57 PM	#4
DeepVoid Member Posts: 15 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Rome, Italy Device: Kindle Paperwhite 11th Gen	I apologize for resuming this old thread, but I'm trying to add hyphenation to an epub book, and the solution proposed by Momoha only works in Kindle Previewer 3. When I send the epub to my Paperwhite (11th gen), hyphenation is gone :-( Any hint to figure out what to do?

02-10-2023, 03:26 PM	#5
Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,703 Karma: 87663461 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	No Kindle does epub. Amazon converts them with nearly secret rules. Or did you use Calibre to convert to azw3?

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