Sigil loses format in bulleted list

mlamb · 03-16-2014, 02:27 AM

I can modify the toc.xhtml numbered list (e.g., remove subheads for a shorter NCX View) and this change is retained by KindleGen in Kindle Previewer and the Kindle. But I would prefer a bulleted list and there seems to be no way to retain any change I make to a bulleted list; whether I convert to bulleted before or after I make the change, the final result does not show up in NCX View even though Sigil shows the change as made in its bullet view. Any workaround?

Toxaris · 03-16-2014, 03:45 AM

The NCX is a different file than the TOC. So, why would changes in the one be reflected in the other?

Doitsu · 03-16-2014, 04:05 AM

AFAIK, it's not possible to style NCX entries. The only thing you can do is manually insert bullet characters before the chapter headings or its title attributes. For example:

Code:

<h1 title="◯ Chapter One">Chapter One: The Beginning</h1>

Sigil will use whatever text you define in the title attribute to generate the NCX and HTML TOC headings.
BTW, any changes that you implement in the HTML TOC will not be automatically implemented in the NCX TOC.

theducks · 03-16-2014, 01:07 PM

BTW 2
Sigil's Generate HTML TOC
ONLY reads the NCX and not the Heading tags.

mlamb · 03-16-2014, 02:59 PM

I am not really trying to style the NCX. I only have two goals: (1) I want the NCX to be a subset of the HTML TOC; i.e., the former with all subheads deleted from the latter, so that the NCS only navigates to the major headings. This I can easily do with the Clip tool as long as the toc.xhtml is a numbered list, and the edited NCX is preserved. (2) As a secondary / aesthetic priority I would like the shortened NCX to appear on the Kindle as a bulleted list rather than numbered. You would think that the Sigil bulleted conversion would accomplish this, but it does not; when I convert to bulleted, all of my subheads appear on the kindle in NCX even though they do not appear in Sigil after Clipping.

theducks · 03-16-2014, 03:32 PM

@mlamb

The NCX is king in the Sigil automated chain.

Note the Pulldown choices in the lower Left corner of the (ncx) TOC creation tool. Those may simplify things. Also note that you can style more than 1 header class to look exactly the same

You can try a 2 pass approach.
Remove all class="sigil_not_in_toc" in any header you want in the SUPER SET (html TOC) IF NEEDED (this puts the ticks for that item back again in the NCX TOC generator)

Generate the (ncx) TOC for the super set values
Now use Sigils Generate HTML TOC
You now have the the super set Inline TOC. Note: Sigil does not number TOC items, it just indents if at differing levels

Now rebuild the NCX to the smaller set (the level filter may work for you) by removing the ticks to hide the item

The HTML TOC has its own stylesheet, that can be customized to your hearts content

mlamb · 03-17-2014, 06:02 PM

Alas, I think I found what you are referring to, but anything I try to do with it makes Sigil quit. Specifically, I bring up "Generate Table Of Contents" (Cmd-T on my Mac) and there I can uncheck any of the subheads or select None in the lower left corner. Either way, as soon as I click "OK" I get "Sigil quit unexpectedly." Here is some of the report info:
Version: 0.7.4 (0.7.4)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.8.5 (12F45)
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: EXC_I386_GPFLT
Model: iMac8,1, BootROM IM81.00C1.B00, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.8 GHz, 6 GB, SMC 1.30f1

theducks · 03-17-2014, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlamb

Alas, I think I found what you are referring to, but anything I try to do with it makes Sigil quit. Specifically, I bring up "Generate Table Of Contents" (Cmd-T on my Mac) and there I can uncheck any of the subheads or select None in the lower left corner. Either way, as soon as I click "OK" I get "Sigil quit unexpectedly." Here is some of the report info:
Version: 0.7.4 (0.7.4)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.8.5 (12F45)
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: EXC_I386_GPFLT
Model: iMac8,1, BootROM IM81.00C1.B00, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.8 GHz, 6 GB, SMC 1.30f1

On Windows (it might be general) there is a bug that causes this IF (generate) IT IS NOT THE ONLY THING DONE since the book is loaded.

Load the book.
Generate and save
then do other stuff

mlamb · 03-18-2014, 03:12 AM

I tried saving at each step, but it does not help: (1) Exported my InDesign CC document as an EPUB file; (2) I opened the file in Sigil; (3) I saved the file [also tried skipping this save]; (4) I generated the Table of Contents, Cmd-T; (5) I saved the file; (6) I selected None to delete the subheadings [also tried doing nothing]; (7) Sigil Quits as soon as I select OK, no matter what I do after Cmd-T.

Toxaris · 03-18-2014, 07:01 AM

You could try version 0.7.2.

theducks · 03-18-2014, 11:27 AM

MAC's do something worse than Windows ?

I am out of ideas

mlamb · 03-18-2014, 02:44 PM

Here's another report, same OS 10.8.5 as I have. Must be an unresolved bug. I hope the developer tracks this forum. http://code.google.com/p/sigil/issues/detail?id=2417

Meanwhile, good suggestion to try 0.7.2 since 0.7.4 has issues for Mac. No quitting with older version (!) and I am closer except for new major problem. Here is what I get now:
(1) HTML Table of Contents with subheads is fine.
(2) The desired abbreviated and bulleted list of major headings is generated fine; HOWEVER …
(3) The NCX navigation no longer corresponds to the "toc.xhtml" bulleted list. When I select "NCX View" in Kindle Previewer it just says "Start"; and on the Kindle itself the 5-way controller only selects the start page (the TOC with subheads); it does not navigate between the major headings per the bulleted list.

Any thoughts?

P.S. I just checked, and (as with v0.7.4) the numbered list does not have the same problem; NCX View and navigation both behave as desired with major headings. The only issue is the aesthetic appearance of a numbered list instead of bulleted -- clearly the lesser of evils, and one of personal taste, but an odd outcome nonetheless.

mrmikel · 03-18-2014, 07:14 PM

The developer is no longer developing or repairing Sigil. He has a full time day job that occupies his time. So any defects must be worked around if possible.

mlamb · 03-19-2014, 02:49 PM

Is there any comparable utility for Mac that is being maintained? I need a reliable way to add Kindle navigation to my Indesign CC Epub export. Online discussion suggests that Amazon does not accept the Calibre export.

mrmikel · 03-19-2014, 06:27 PM

You can try the calibre editor which is not the same thing as the calibre main program. It is part of it, but it does not make all those calibre classes, etc.

Just download calibre and locate and run just ebook-edit. See if that will do. It makes AZW3s directly.

03-16-2014, 02:27 AM	#1
mlamb Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2014 Device: Kindle	Sigil loses format in bulleted list I can modify the toc.xhtml numbered list (e.g., remove subheads for a shorter NCX View) and this change is retained by KindleGen in Kindle Previewer and the Kindle. But I would prefer a bulleted list and there seems to be no way to retain any change I make to a bulleted list; whether I convert to bulleted before or after I make the change, the final result does not show up in NCX View even though Sigil shows the change as made in its bullet view. Any workaround?

03-16-2014, 04:05 AM	#3
Doitsu Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,584 Karma: 22735033 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Kindle PW2	AFAIK, it's not possible to style NCX entries. The only thing you can do is manually insert bullet characters before the chapter headings or its title attributes. For example: Code: <h1 title="◯ Chapter One">Chapter One: The Beginning</h1> Sigil will use whatever text you define in the title attribute to generate the NCX and HTML TOC headings. BTW, any changes that you implement in the HTML TOC will not be automatically implemented in the NCX TOC.

03-18-2014, 02:44 PM	#12
mlamb Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2014 Device: Kindle	Here's another report, same OS 10.8.5 as I have. Must be an unresolved bug. I hope the developer tracks this forum. http://code.google.com/p/sigil/issues/detail?id=2417 Meanwhile, good suggestion to try 0.7.2 since 0.7.4 has issues for Mac. No quitting with older version (!) and I am closer except for new major problem. Here is what I get now: (1) HTML Table of Contents with subheads is fine. (2) The desired abbreviated and bulleted list of major headings is generated fine; HOWEVER … (3) The NCX navigation no longer corresponds to the "toc.xhtml" bulleted list. When I select "NCX View" in Kindle Previewer it just says "Start"; and on the Kindle itself the 5-way controller only selects the start page (the TOC with subheads); it does not navigate between the major headings per the bulleted list. Any thoughts? P.S. I just checked, and (as with v0.7.4) the numbered list does not have the same problem; NCX View and navigation both behave as desired with major headings. The only issue is the aesthetic appearance of a numbered list instead of bulleted -- clearly the lesser of evils, and one of personal taste, but an odd outcome nonetheless. Last edited by mlamb; 03-18-2014 at 04:06 PM.

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03-16-2014, 03:45 AM	#2
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	The NCX is a different file than the TOC. So, why would changes in the one be reflected in the other?

03-16-2014, 01:07 PM	#4
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,803 Karma: 54830978 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	BTW 2 Sigil's Generate HTML TOC ONLY reads the NCX and not the Heading tags.

03-16-2014, 02:59 PM	#5
mlamb Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2014 Device: Kindle	I am not really trying to style the NCX. I only have two goals: (1) I want the NCX to be a subset of the HTML TOC; i.e., the former with all subheads deleted from the latter, so that the NCS only navigates to the major headings. This I can easily do with the Clip tool as long as the toc.xhtml is a numbered list, and the edited NCX is preserved. (2) As a secondary / aesthetic priority I would like the shortened NCX to appear on the Kindle as a bulleted list rather than numbered. You would think that the Sigil bulleted conversion would accomplish this, but it does not; when I convert to bulleted, all of my subheads appear on the kindle in NCX even though they do not appear in Sigil after Clipping.

03-16-2014, 03:32 PM	#6
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,803 Karma: 54830978 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	@mlamb The NCX is king in the Sigil automated chain. Note the Pulldown choices in the lower Left corner of the (ncx) TOC creation tool. Those may simplify things. Also note that you can style more than 1 header class to look exactly the same You can try a 2 pass approach. Remove all class="sigil_not_in_toc" in any header you want in the SUPER SET (html TOC) IF NEEDED (this puts the ticks for that item back again in the NCX TOC generator) Generate the (ncx) TOC for the super set values Now use Sigils Generate HTML TOC You now have the the super set Inline TOC. Note: Sigil does not number TOC items, it just indents if at differing levels Now rebuild the NCX to the smaller set (the level filter may work for you) by removing the ticks to hide the item The HTML TOC has its own stylesheet, that can be customized to your hearts content

03-17-2014, 06:02 PM	#7
mlamb Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2014 Device: Kindle	Alas, I think I found what you are referring to, but anything I try to do with it makes Sigil quit. Specifically, I bring up "Generate Table Of Contents" (Cmd-T on my Mac) and there I can uncheck any of the subheads or select None in the lower left corner. Either way, as soon as I click "OK" I get "Sigil quit unexpectedly." Here is some of the report info: Version: 0.7.4 (0.7.4) Code Type: X86-64 (Native) OS Version: Mac OS X 10.8.5 (12F45) Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV) Exception Codes: EXC_I386_GPFLT Model: iMac8,1, BootROM IM81.00C1.B00, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.8 GHz, 6 GB, SMC 1.30f1

03-18-2014, 03:12 AM	#9
mlamb Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2014 Device: Kindle	I tried saving at each step, but it does not help: (1) Exported my InDesign CC document as an EPUB file; (2) I opened the file in Sigil; (3) I saved the file [also tried skipping this save]; (4) I generated the Table of Contents, Cmd-T; (5) I saved the file; (6) I selected None to delete the subheadings [also tried doing nothing]; (7) Sigil Quits as soon as I select OK, no matter what I do after Cmd-T.

03-18-2014, 07:01 AM	#10
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	You could try version 0.7.2.

03-18-2014, 11:27 AM	#11
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,803 Karma: 54830978 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	MAC's do something worse than Windows ? I am out of ideas

03-18-2014, 07:14 PM	#13
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	The developer is no longer developing or repairing Sigil. He has a full time day job that occupies his time. So any defects must be worked around if possible.

03-19-2014, 02:49 PM	#14
mlamb Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2014 Device: Kindle	Is there any comparable utility for Mac that is being maintained? I need a reliable way to add Kindle navigation to my Indesign CC Epub export. Online discussion suggests that Amazon does not accept the Calibre export.

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03-19-2014, 06:27 PM	#15
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	You can try the calibre editor which is not the same thing as the calibre main program. It is part of it, but it does not make all those calibre classes, etc. Just download calibre and locate and run just ebook-edit. See if that will do. It makes AZW3s directly.