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Old 11-21-2008, 04:42 PM   #16
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converts IMP to html ??? really ??? are you sure about that ? does it preserve formatting as well ? if yes, that's good to know...
My apologies, I was politely informed me, in a private email, that it is 'pdb' to HTML. Which is the eReader format sold by fictionwise. My error was that I assumed that 'pdb' was a secure version of IMP.

ereader2html not like convertlit that can create a copy if LIT or extract to HTML. This tool only extracts to HTML, but leaves the original file intact. The result HTML from my experience seemed pretty well (it was a kids book with lots of pictures.)

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Old 11-21-2008, 04:42 PM   #17
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A 64 MB card "dramatically" increases the storage?? Are the file sizes really small?? Or does that type of device just not hold all that much??
The internal memory can be used to store ebooks without using a SM card, but it is only 8MB. Whereas the external SM card could be 64MB (8x the storage) or 128MB (16x). Hence, "dramatically" is relative to the small initial 8MB internal memory.

I just bought a 10 MegaPixel Sony camera that came with a (32MB) SD card included. I mean why bother... It's all marketing speak/hype!
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A 64 MB card "dramatically" increases the storage?? Are the file sizes really small?? Or does that type of device just not hold all that much??
both, actually. on my 64mo card i've got about 100 books but quite a few of them are huge (omnibus editions, dictionaries, illustrated books...). probably i could have closer to 150 books on there. granted, that is nothing compared to any of the newer liseuses. but it's ample for most use.
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My apologies, I was politely informed me, in a private email, that it is 'pdb' to HTML. Which is the eReader format sold by fictionwise. My error was that I assumed that 'pdb' was a secure version of IMP.

ereader2html not like convertlit that can create a copy if LIT or extract to HTML. This tool only extracts to HTML, but leaves the original file intact. The result HTML from my experience seemed pretty well (it was a kids book with lots of pictures.)

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no worries, i didn't think that was right. i think the other apps you cited also leave the original file intact (i could be wrong), when they convert.
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I just bought a 10 MegaPixel Sony camera that came with a (32MB) SD card included. I mean why bother... It's all marketing speak/hype!
32mo !!! that much !!! i bet you're just thinking of all the stuff you're going to put on there !!!
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:02 PM   #19
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ereader2html converts imp to html. [Secretive whisper] and also removes DRM[/Secretive whisper]
So is IMP eReader format/DRM?
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:08 PM   #20
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No that was my mistake I thought it was, but I was "educated". IMP and PDB are completely different formats. I somehow made the invalid connection that IMP was the unsecured version of PDB. My apologies for the confusion

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The internal memory can be used to store ebooks without using a SM card, but it is only 8MB. Whereas the external SM card could be 64MB (8x the storage) or 128MB (16x). Hence, "dramatically" is relative to the small initial 8MB internal memory.

I just bought a 10 MegaPixel Sony camera that came with a (32MB) SD card included. I mean why bother... It's all marketing speak/hype!
A 10 MegaPixel camera with a 32 MB card?? They have to be joking!!

Good grief .... oh, that reminds me, I've got dozens of those smaller memory cards I really need to trash or give away ....
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:22 PM   #22
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I appreciate that, but DRM removal (and even format conversion) is illegal in many countries. One should surely not have to commit a crime in order to obtain content for an eBook reader! One may believe that such laws are wrong, but as long as they are on the statute books, that will deter many people from buying such a device.
Might deter you, Harry. Certainly wouldnt deter me (or anyone else I know for that mattter).

But of course, to each his own, and all that...
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:19 PM   #23
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A 64 MB card "dramatically" increases the storage?? Are the file sizes really small?? Or does that type of device just not hold all that much??
dramatic is relative to the 8 Meg of the standard model. The unit does accept external cards which replace the internal memory. eBooks are about the same size as in other formats so it won't hold more than a bookcase full of books unless you use multiple expansion cards. It does not support the newer memory types like SD.

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Old 11-21-2008, 06:55 PM   #24
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So is IMP eReader format/DRM?
The imp format typically does not have DRM but then it is not the internal format for the reader. The reader supports automatic conversion of IMP eBooks to its internal form. Internally there can be DRM on the files. I believe the only sites currently capable of DRM on this device are http://www.eBookwise.com site and http://www.filamentbooks.com/. They plus fictionwise can provide downloads via an online bookshelf that can directly provide books in the internal format.

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Old 11-21-2008, 08:34 PM   #25
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The imp format typically does not have DRM but then it is not the internal format for the reader. The reader supports automatic conversion of IMP eBooks to its internal form. Internally there can be DRM on the files.
Just to elaborate, only the ebook text (stored in the DATA.FRK .res record of the internal format) is DES encrypted when DRM is employed. The ebook bookstores call it "Secure IMP", but the metadata information can be changed using the right program (I don't think GEBLibrarian handles this correctly). In addition, any images in Secure IMP ebooks can be extracted (I use my unfinished / unreleased imp_dump.pl perl script to accomplish this). I think a imp2imp type of program is possible along the same lines as mobi2mobi. It's on my todo list.

BTW, the DRM is specifically tied to the device's key (internal serial number) and User ID that was conveyed to the ETI servers when the device was registered. The way I understand this, when the hardware devices were originally manufactured (by RCA for my REB1200), the external serial number was paired with an internal key and that information was only given to Gemstar (and now to ETI, the current "manufacturer"). The ETI servers encrypt Secure IMP files prior to making the purchased DRM title available to the device. As long as the device's User ID (tied to the external serial number) remains the same, the purchased title can be read on the device (and only that device). That is, a Secure IMP purchased by me for my REB1200 can only be read by my device and it cannot be "shared" with any others.

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I believe the only sites currently capable of DRM on this device are http://www.eBookwise.com site and http://www.filamentbooks.com/. They plus fictionwise can provide downloads via an online bookshelf that can directly provide books in the internal format.

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And in this case, fewer DRM ebookstores is a step in the right direction, IMHO...

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All good and well.

Now:

What about this slightly updated model that incorporates a 64-meg memory card? If one buys this unit, the model can never be used on a higher memory card?

What information do we have on this model, other than the little info that's on their website?

Anyone know?

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All good and well.

Now:

What about this slightly updated model that incorporates a 64-meg memory card? If one buys this unit, the model can never be used on a higher memory card?
I think that when the SM card is inserted, it "loses" access to the internal memory, be it 8MB or 64MB. It would seem that the "updated model" would only be beneficial if you had no chance of obtaining a SM card. It may signify that their SM card supply is twindling as mentioned by DaleDe in an earlier thread 64 MB ebw1150.

I already posted my take on this situation here.

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What information do we have on this model, other than the little info that's on their website?

Anyone know?

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I believe, that's all we know for sure, for now.
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No that was my mistake I thought it was, but I was "educated". IMP and PDB are completely different formats. I somehow made the invalid connection that IMP was the unsecured version of PDB. My apologies for the confusion

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"PDB" is not a "format". A PDB file is a "Palm Database" file and can contain data in any format whatsoever. It's simply a "container", like a ZIP file is. You need to specify what type of information is contained within the PDB file in order to specify a format. Eg "eReader" files have a PDB extension; "eReader" is a format. "PalmDoc" files also have a PDB extension.
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There are actually about 12 different formats included in the "pdb" container that I know of from the top of my head. Best about those formats: they are (mostly) not compatible. So you need a few software readers if you want to be able to read every single one (to name put a few of the more popular ones: ereader, aportis, plucker, isilo, (protein data bank (no, seriously))

Luckily for the most popular of them (ereader and Aportis) there are easily available tools to reconvert them to html or txt.

Here is a (full?) list of those pdbs

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"PDB" is not a "format". A PDB file is a "Palm Database" file and can contain data in any format whatsoever. It's simply a "container", like a ZIP file is. You need to specify what type of information is contained within the PDB file in order to specify a format. Eg "eReader" files have a PDB extension; "eReader" is a format. "PalmDoc" files also have a PDB extension.
But alas anything can be a "format". Even "PDB" is a Database format, no?
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