Can't disable Clean Source ?

anthony.burton4 · 10-08-2013, 08:34 PM

When I open an epub, I get a prompt that it's invalid.
I click Close to get rid of the prompt, and the book opens in Sigil.
I then save it and get prompted if I want to save changes.

I have Clean Source disabled on both Open and Save, via the Edit=>Preferences menu.

Is this a bug, or am I missing something?

Toxaris · 10-09-2013, 04:51 AM

No, you do not miss something. Sigil finds something not in order with the book when you open it. So, if you open it, it tries to fix it. Hence the changes to be saved.

anthony.burton4 · 10-09-2013, 07:45 AM

Darn it.

Going to have to try to find the version that I used to run then which didn't do that.

DiapDealer · 10-09-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by anthony.burton4

Darn it.

Going to have to try to find the version that I used to run then which didn't do that.

They all pretty much did it. They just didn't warn you about it before hand.

anthony.burton4 · 10-09-2013, 08:40 AM

No for sure I remember having the same issue before, and wondering why it asked me if I wanted to save changes.
Then I found how to disable the auto-correct facility.

Now it appears you cannot disable it.

Toxaris · 10-09-2013, 09:08 AM

Why would you want to keep errors in your epub?

DiapDealer · 10-09-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by anthony.burton4

No for sure I remember having the same issue before, and wondering why it asked me if I wanted to save changes.
Then I found how to disable the auto-correct facility.

Now it appears you cannot disable it.

I think you're missing my point: in older versions, Sigil would silently fix certain errors open opening. The user usually had no clue whatsoever that this was happening (hence silently). Now Sigil is offering you a say in the matter.

Chances are (as long as older versions of Sigil didn't bark about the epub); if you allow Sigil to fix the "errors" upon opening the epub, it's probably just going to add a doctype declaration to the top of the html files.

Basically your choices are: let 0.7.3 "fix" the epub--once, or roll back to an earlier version of Sigil.

theducks · 10-09-2013, 09:32 AM

Toxaris

The old version would NOT let you save at all if there were basic (malformed) errors.
This version will save, but it keeps nagging until they are gone.
This is base HTML errors, there can still be CSS errors and/or EPUB errors

And as always. User style and spelling errors

JSWolf · 10-09-2013, 09:44 AM

Sigil 0.7.3 asks to fix errors if it finds non-breaking spaces that are not using the &nsbsp; entity and converts them to said entity. Previous Sigil versions converted them spaces.

anthony.burton4 · 10-09-2013, 09:55 AM

If I just want to look at a book quickly, I don't want it changing by Sigil. Allowing a programme like Sigil to change a book involves me putting trust in it that it won't screw something up. I don't have that level of trust. When I want to change a book in Sigil, I change it and then test it to make sure it still works ok. When I'm just scanning a book I don't want to put that time in.

Previous version DID indeed silently change a book, but you could disable that so that it didn't occur. And if you didn't disable it, you DID find out the changes had been made, but only when you saved. Sigil didn't silently update the file on disk without telling you!

Toxaris · 10-09-2013, 11:12 AM

It never updates or updated files silently. You always needed to confirm it with a save. No save, no changes. That is not different from now and then.

DiapDealer · 10-09-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by anthony.burton4

Previous version DID indeed silently change a book, but you could disable that so that it didn't occur.

Unfortunately that's where you're wrong. Even with clean source disabled there were ALWAYS certain scenarios where code was going to be altered when saved--regardless.

I admit how it's bring handled can be a bit awkward and confusing, but the fact of the matter is: 0.7.3 is the very first version of Sigil that will not let you save an epub that it altered without notifying you that it did so; and certain things it has to alter if you want to use the current version to edit your epub (even with Clean Source disabled). Now it's up to you if you want to let it, or go a different route.

anthony.burton4 · 10-09-2013, 11:45 AM

Please read my OP.

I am not referring to what happens when you "SAVE" a book. I'm referrring to what happens when you open it:

The previous version allowed you to open a book, and then close the program, with no prompts whatsoever, and of course no changes saved. You had to disable a setting in order to get this though.

The current version, prompts you when you open it, and then prompts you when you close it. If you just want to look at a book without making any changes, you have to contend with 2 pop-up alerts.

theducks · 10-09-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by anthony.burton4

Please read my OP.

I am not referring to what happens when you "SAVE" a book. I'm referrring to what happens when you open it:

The previous version allowed you to open a book, and then close the program, with no prompts whatsoever, and of course no changes saved. You had to disable a setting in order to get this though.

The current version, prompts you when you open it, and then prompts you when you close it. If you just want to look at a book without making any changes, you have to contend with 2 pop-up alerts.

Some people need reminding there are problems.

Why are you using Sigil just to 'Look'?

There are other tools that show the whole book, not just a single file inside. Calibre-viewer, ADE, Firefox withe EPUB Reader are the ones on my system

DiapDealer · 10-09-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by anthony.burton4

The current version, prompts you when you open it, and then prompts you when you close it. If you just want to look at a book without making any changes, you have to contend with 2 pop-up alerts.

If there's something Sigil deems "wrong" with the epub, then yes, that's correct.

People understand that and are simply trying to explain to you why you might have to contend with that on certain epubs in the new version.

Since looking without changing is still possible, then I take it that your only real objection is the warnings themselves? If so, I guess we're done here. You've stated your dislike and perhaps someone will address it in a future version. I know user_none had a plan at one time to address the nbsp character issue by converting them to numeric entities rather than named entities--thus ensuring that it's not Sigil's behind the scenes manipulations themselves that result in the doctype declaration becoming mandatory.

But unless more contributors step forward to submit changes, it sounds like new features/changes/releases may be very slow in coming.

10-08-2013, 08:34 PM	#1
anthony.burton4 Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: iPhone	Can't disable Clean Source ? When I open an epub, I get a prompt that it's invalid. I click Close to get rid of the prompt, and the book opens in Sigil. I then save it and get prompted if I want to save changes. I have Clean Source disabled on both Open and Save, via the Edit=>Preferences menu. Is this a bug, or am I missing something?

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10-09-2013, 04:51 AM	#2
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	No, you do not miss something. Sigil finds something not in order with the book when you open it. So, if you open it, it tries to fix it. Hence the changes to be saved.

10-09-2013, 07:45 AM	#3
anthony.burton4 Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: iPhone	Darn it. Going to have to try to find the version that I used to run then which didn't do that.

10-09-2013, 08:40 AM	#5
anthony.burton4 Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: iPhone	No for sure I remember having the same issue before, and wondering why it asked me if I wanted to save changes. Then I found how to disable the auto-correct facility. Now it appears you cannot disable it.

10-09-2013, 09:08 AM	#6
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	Why would you want to keep errors in your epub?

10-09-2013, 09:32 AM	#8
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,763 Karma: 54401244 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Toxaris The old version would NOT let you save at all if there were basic (malformed) errors. This version will save, but it keeps nagging until they are gone. This is base HTML errors, there can still be CSS errors and/or EPUB errors And as always. User style and spelling errors

10-09-2013, 09:44 AM	#9
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,851 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Sigil 0.7.3 asks to fix errors if it finds non-breaking spaces that are not using the &nsbsp; entity and converts them to said entity. Previous Sigil versions converted them spaces.

10-09-2013, 09:55 AM	#10
anthony.burton4 Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: iPhone	If I just want to look at a book quickly, I don't want it changing by Sigil. Allowing a programme like Sigil to change a book involves me putting trust in it that it won't screw something up. I don't have that level of trust. When I want to change a book in Sigil, I change it and then test it to make sure it still works ok. When I'm just scanning a book I don't want to put that time in. Previous version DID indeed silently change a book, but you could disable that so that it didn't occur. And if you didn't disable it, you DID find out the changes had been made, but only when you saved. Sigil didn't silently update the file on disk without telling you!

10-09-2013, 11:12 AM	#11
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	It never updates or updated files silently. You always needed to confirm it with a save. No save, no changes. That is not different from now and then.

10-09-2013, 11:45 AM	#13
anthony.burton4 Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: iPhone	Please read my OP. I am not referring to what happens when you "SAVE" a book. I'm referrring to what happens when you open it: The previous version allowed you to open a book, and then close the program, with no prompts whatsoever, and of course no changes saved. You had to disable a setting in order to get this though. The current version, prompts you when you open it, and then prompts you when you close it. If you just want to look at a book without making any changes, you have to contend with 2 pop-up alerts.