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Old 04-21-2013, 06:38 PM   #1
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Why no AND in Tag Browser Searching... ?

If I click a value in the Tag Browser (e.g Author Bill Bloggs) it gets a Green Cross, and in the search bar I see
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authors:"=Bill Bloggs"
If I now Shift or Control click something else in the Tag Browser (e.g. Format PDF) it too gets a Green Cross, and in the search bar I see
Code:
formats:"=PDF" or authors:"=Bill Bloggs"
But what I really want is
Code:
formats:"=PDF" and authors:"=Bill Bloggs"
Is there a way to 'and' search terms together via clicking things in the Tag Browser? Currently one has to overtype the 'or' with an 'and' in the Search Bar. Or use the Advanced Search Title/Author/Series Tab where its the reverse, if I select Author "Bill Bloggs" with formats "PDF" I get

Code:
author:"Bill Bloggs" and formats:"PDF"
Would it be possible to give the user some control over whether search terms are ANDed or ORed in the Tag Browser and Advanced Search Title/Author/Series Tab?

For example in the Tag Browser ctrl/Click could OR and shift/click could AND Search Terms - or Alt/Click could AND whilst and leaving both Shift and Control with OR to provide backwards compatibility.

The Advanced Search would probably need extra controls to toggle AND/OR between fields

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If I click a value in the Tag Browser (e.g Author Bill Bloggs) it gets a Green Cross, and in the search bar I see
Code:
authors:"=Bill Bloggs"
If I now Shift or Control click something else in the Tag Browser (e.g. Format PDF) it too gets a Green Cross, and in the search bar I see
Code:
formats:"=PDF" or authors:"=Bill Bloggs"
But what I really want is
Code:
formats:"=PDF" and authors:"=Bill Bloggs"
Is there a way to 'and' search terms together via clicking things in the Tag Browser? Currently one has to overtype the 'or' with an 'and' in the Search Bar. Or use the Advanced Search Title/Author/Series Tab where its the reverse, if I select Author "Bill Bloggs" with formats "PDF" I get

Code:
author:"Bill Bloggs" and formats:"PDF"
Would it be possible to give the user some control over whether search terms are ANDed or ORed in the Tag Browser and Advanced Search Title/Author/Series Tab?

For example in the Tag Browser ctrl/Click could OR and shift/click could AND Search Terms - or Alt/Click could AND whilst and leaving both Shift and Control with OR to provide backwards compatibility.

The Advanced Search would probably need extra controls to toggle AND/OR between fields

BR
Tag Browser: At the bottom: Alter...: Match type
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Tag Browser: At the bottom: Alter...: Match type


Its hardly obvious to an English speaker that Match Any means OR and Match All means AND, so its little wonder my Dutch and Thai colleagues couldn't work it out.

I can't see anything in the manual about Match Type - http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/gui.html#tag-browser. And it doesn't have a hover hint - Calibre's hover hints are often easier to understand than the Calibre manual.

Match Type doesn't seem to have any effect on the Advanced browser

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Its hardly obvious to an English speaker that Match Any means OR and Match All means AND, so its little wonder my Dutch and Thai colleagues couldn't work it out.

I can't see anything in the manual about Match Type - http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/gui.html#tag-browser. And it doesn't have a hover hint - Calibre's hover hints are often easier to understand than the Calibre manual.

Match Type doesn't seem to have any effect on the Advanced browser

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Meet any of the terms
Must meet all of the terms

for lay persons

We know we need to do a Logical AND or OR
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Match and Search are not synonyms, I suggest

Change "Match Type" to "Search Type",
Change "Match All" to "Search All (and)"
Change "Match Any" to "Search Any (or)"

I'd still prefer different modifier keys to select between All (and) and Any (or) and so would my linguistics and economics 'lay person' research colleagues.

Its the sort of thing one wants to make a decision about at the time the multi-tag search feature is being used. Wouldn't be so bad if one could see the current setting, but as it is one has to look behind Alter Tag Browser, and then behind Match Type, then remember than 'all' will give one an 'and' and that 'any' will give one an 'or', and then the phone rings...

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Tag Browser: At the bottom: Alter...: Match type
i never knew that was here - is that preference saved or does the AND setting have to be selected every time ?
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i never knew that was here - is that preference saved or does the AND setting have to be selected every time ?
@cybmole it persists between executions, so whatever it was last time will be there next time.

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Match and Search are not synonyms, I suggest

Change "Match Type" to "Search Type",
Change "Match All" to "Search All (and)"
Change "Match Any" to "Search Any (or)"

I'd still prefer different modifier keys to select between All (and) and Any (or) and so would my linguistics and economics 'lay person' research colleagues.

Its the sort of thing one wants to make a decision about at the time the multi-tag search feature is being used. Wouldn't be so bad if one could see the current setting, but as it is one has to look behind Alter Tag Browser, and then behind Match Type, then remember than 'all' will give one an 'and' and that 'any' will give one an 'or', and then the phone rings...

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The words apply to the patterns (used in Search)

It might be a term that translates better

or it may be
the terms are used in Filters and virtual Libraries

or it may be

just what Kovid chose
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