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Old 10-12-2013, 12:21 AM   #91
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Das Objekt ist »Seelen«, denen ihrerseits das dich vermutlich irritierende Genitivobjekt »ihrer beider« vorangestellt ist.
Das stimmt im Wesentlichen, aber da ich gerne klugscheiße, muss ich doch anmerken, dass es sich hier natürlich um ein Genitivattribut handelt.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:29 AM   #92
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Und als Auspacken und Einräumen beendet und Agathe im Bad allein war, (Seite 2561)

Ist "beenden" nicht transitiv?
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:52 AM   #93
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In der Tat; und hier im Passiv gebraucht: Auspacken und Einräumen war(en) beendet. Das "war" ganz hinten vor dem Komma bezieht sich nicht nur auf Agathe, sondern auch auf Auspacken und Einräumen.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:01 PM   #94
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Danke lieber Malakh.

"albern sich dort als Geschwisterlein an", (Seite 2572)
gibt es ein Verb "analbern"?
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:54 AM   #95
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In meinem Wörterbuch nicht; ist aber eine schöne Wortschöpfung - und Präposition + Verb sind eine recht problemlose Kombination aus dem Neologismen-Baukasten.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:24 AM   #96
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Ich hoffe, es ist kein Druckfehler.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:30 AM   #97
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1. daß er von Clarisse sprechen konnte und prüfst besorgt, wann Zeichen... (Seite 2593)

Ist "prüfst" hier auch ein Druckfehler?

2. in denen sich ritterliche Absicht mit unbeabsichtigter Unritterlichkeit zu einem dunklen Zugeständnis an Agathe mischten, (Seite 2597)

Warum "mischten" nicht "mischte"?

3. Du hast manchmal schon bessere Scherze gemacht, als einer so entzückenden Frau, und wenn ... (Seite 2598)

Warum ist es Dativ oder Genitiv?

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Old 10-27-2013, 08:46 AM   #98
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1. Du hast die Anführungszeichen vor »und« übersehen; die direkte Rede, deren Subjekt in der 2. Person steht, wird fortgesetzt:

«Du sprichst von ‹Zeichen› [...] und prüfst besorgt, wann Zeichen eine Störung sind und wann nicht;

2. Da steht doch »mischten« im Text!?

3. Es ist einfacher zu verstehen, wenn du die eingeschobene Apposition auslässt:

Du hast manchmal schon bessere Scherze gemacht, als einer so entzückenden Frau [...] eine solche Unappetitlichkeit anzudichten,
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1. Du hast die Anführungszeichen vor »und« übersehen; die direkte Rede, deren Subjekt in der 2. Person steht, wird fortgesetzt:

«Du sprichst von ‹Zeichen› [...] und prüfst besorgt, wann Zeichen eine Störung sind und wann nicht;

2. Da steht doch »mischten« im Text!?

3. Es ist einfacher zu verstehen, wenn du die eingeschobene Apposition auslässt:

Du hast manchmal schon bessere Scherze gemacht, als einer so entzückenden Frau [...] eine solche Unappetitlichkeit anzudichten,
Danke für die Erklärung Pynch!
Ich meine, warum der Autor hier die Pluralform "mischten" verwendet, obwohl das Subjekt "Ritterlichkeit" Singular ist.

Könntest du mir ein bisschen erklären, was "analbern" hier bedeutet?
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:11 AM   #100
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Wenn da "mischten" steht, ist es in der Tat ein Grammatikfehler. Es wäre richtig, wenn da "ritterliche Absicht und unbeabsichtigte Unritterlichkeit" stünden. Sehr beliebter Fehler, obwohl man ihn bei Musil nicht erwarten würde.

Was die Bedeutung des Analberns angeht, da müsste man die ganze Passage, oder wenigstens den ganzen Satz lesen.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:28 AM   #101
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Am ehesten scheint sich in dem Satz das »sich analbern« durch »miteinander scherzen« ersetzen zu lassen, wodurch allerdings der pubertäre Charakter etwas verlorenginge.
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Old 10-27-2013, 04:30 PM   #102
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"mischten" als Plural ist doch korrekt, es mischten sich Absicht und Unritterlichkeit...
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:13 PM   #103
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Da steht aber gerade nicht "Absicht und Unritterlichkeit", sondern "Absicht mit Unritterlichkeit" - ergo nicht zwei, die sich miteinander mischen, sondern eine, die sich mit einer anderen mischt.

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Ich finde, dass in dem Satz das intransitive vermischen besser passen würde, zumal man bei sich ja ohnehin ein intransitives Verb erwarten würde.

Dann würde der Plural auch besser passen:

... mit Worten, in denen sich A mit B zu C vermischten, fügte er hinzu ...

Allerdings würde ich hier auch eher die Variante mit und erwarten:

... mit Worten, in denen sich A und B [miteinander] zu C vermischten, fügte er hinzu ...
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Es wäre richtig, wenn da "ritterliche Absicht und unbeabsichtigte Unritterlichkeit" stünden.
Wäre es nicht richtiger, wenn hier »stünde« stünde ?
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