12-13-2009, 01:28 PM | #31 |
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actually, in my calculation I forgot to include the cost of the ebook device itself for the consumer. assuming they factor in the total cost of ebooks and they resell their device for a $100 discount to the new retail price after 50 books read....that comes to $2 per book.
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12-13-2009, 02:24 PM | #33 | |
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Doesn't count any more than a bookshelf or reading lamp. I don't necessarily agree with your calculation either, because everything is not really included, such as returns, print runs, etc. |
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To provide an illustration, steps for initial release of a/an: ebook: writing, editing, formatting, finalizing, electronic storage of final version, electronic release in the appropriate format(s), and final sale. pbook: writing, editing, formatting, finalizing, electronic storage of final version (hopefully), printing, binding, packaging, shipping, shelf stocking, final sale, and disposal of unsold copies. Steps for the subsequent release of a/an: ebook: Retrieval of final version, electronic release in the appropriate format(s), and final sale. pbook: Retrieval of final version (either in electronic form or by OCR scanning), editing and formatting of the text (if OCR scanned), printing, binding, packaging, shipping, shelf stocking, final sale, and disposal of unsold copies. The above shows that there are many costs associated with pbooks that don't exist with ebooks. Among them are the need to provide a physical item for each book to the reader. |
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Random House went around this with Rosetta back in 2001, trying to claim they had electronic rights for books published back when electronic editions couldn't even exist. See http://www.rosettabooks.com/pages/legal.html and http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Random_H..._Rosetta_Books for information. Random House didn't get very far then. I'm not sure why they think they'll succeed now. ______ Dennis |
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If anything we are baring the vast majority of the cost, and yet we still get publisher fretting about e-readers and their possible rammifications. I shelled out hundreds of dollars so you can see me an ephemeral product consisting of binary data which you can duplicate at no cost and send across the internet for about $0.00001. They don't have to pay much carbon tax on an ebook, compared to fuel/paper/ink/pollution/glue involved with making a paperbook and which might incur up and coming environmental taxation. They should be rejoicing but instead make the consumer's life harder with restrictive DRM, poor selection, poor pricing and poorly converted electronic versions which slow consumer adoption of the devices. Publishers should be helping people transition to the new medium, not dragging their feet.. Sorry, rant over! |
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12-14-2009, 03:45 AM | #38 | |
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12-14-2009, 01:05 PM | #40 | |
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I'd hope a court would come down on Random House. Even back when, different kinds of rights were known to exist, and magazine rights, hardcover rights, paperback rights, and subsidiary rights were separate items, along with movie and TV rights. Attempting to claim rights for a new format that didn't exist when the original contracts were signed really shouldn't get very far. ______ Dennis Last edited by DMcCunney; 12-14-2009 at 01:28 PM. |
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12-14-2009, 01:28 PM | #42 | |
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Back in the 50's and 60's, for example, Doubleday Books had a hardcover SF line. It was aimed primarily at the library market. Library sales covered Doubleday's direct costs. But Doubleday's contract specified that they got half of any paperback sale, and that's where they made the money on the line. I'd expect a current contract, for example, to try to cover hardcover, paperback, and ebook rights, with the exact final form a matter of negotiation between the publisher and the author or author's agent. ______ Dennis |
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Telling customers "you can purchase the right to read this for one year" would result in a severe drop in sales. Right now, they bury the "this is a license" claim in EULAs and site FAQ pages, rather than saying it anywhere near the shopping cart area--and the claim doesn't hold up to legal rulings about what's considered a license instead of a sale. |
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Besides, the real question is whether the actual contract bestows an unspecified publication format onto the publisher, or if it will revert to the author. Since contracts vary from one publisher to another (and most likely, each publisher and inprint has used a variety of contract language over the years), there is no clear-cut answer. Quote:
If the contract doesn't grant comprehensive rights, then it doesn't grant comprehensive rights and (afaik) unspecified rights should revert to the author. But without actually reading the contract and the benefit of experience in contract law, you cannot say what the outcome ought to be. |
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