01-17-2013, 07:37 AM | #91 |
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I don't think we should be following iphone news. It's seems pretty irrelevant to this site. There are so many other websites that follow Apple. If we are going to follow any tech with a screen, that seems too broad for a mobile reading forum.
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01-17-2013, 08:14 AM | #92 | |
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A buyer of a low-end Android phone may someday migrate up to a high-end Android phone, but they won't migrate over to a iPhone. Just like an iPhone user won't migrate over to an Android... |
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Android offers a effective choice. It is not a Samsung monopoly, other players can use the base Android. If they don't sell as well individually, the entire grouping matters, vis-a-vie the Apple ecosphere. They still lead to consumers getting smart phones that aren't iOS... (Think of the computer world of the 1980's. IBM PC ruled, but they had cheaper clones running Microsoft OS'es. People might replace a clone with an IBM PC, and keep their software and UI, but they (mostly) wouldn't go and convert to a Mac OS, even if it was better, because of 1. cost (Apple didn't allow clones and charge high prices, even relative to PCs, 2. Lack of specialised software, and 3. having to learn the new interface...) Last edited by Greg Anos; 01-17-2013 at 08:33 AM. |
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But the reasons why it was falling before didn't go away. It didn't fall faster than before.
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But the iPhone isn't just any tech with a screen, it's a very popular tech with a screen and reading apps. |
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01-17-2013, 09:27 AM | #98 | ||||
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But he's referring to the competition (a not too subtle dig there), NOT to any current or future Apple product. Which is my point. Quote:
For some reason, analysts and writers were going hog wild describing a hypothetical Mini -- and they were using words like "budget" and "cheap" and imagining all sorts of cuts in quality and features. The Apple exec squashed that vision of the "Mini." Personally, I think it's silly to use the term Mini to describe a phone in the context of the current iPhone line. If it means a screen smaller than 3.5" I think it will fail. If it means going back to a 3.5" but with simply pared down specs, then "Mini" is the wrong word to use since 3.5" is what most current iPhones have. Yes, there is an S III Mini, but that "mini" is in relation to one specific distinct model. And even then, I wonder if Samsung couldn't have come up with a better name. --Pat |
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01-17-2013, 10:09 AM | #99 | |
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You either ignore it, turn them off, or sit back and laugh. I'd recommend the latter, though it's all very predictable after awhile, rather like a single season sit-com. Does make one wonder, though... maybe S.J. made one of them cry, their frail mother was killed when a IIe toppled over, they bought a clamshell MacBook and everyone laughed, Woz wouldn't stop his Segue to sign an autograph... |
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The media talked about a budget iphone which they called "Mini". Apple said that it's not going to make a cheap smartphone in response to the rumors about the Mini. You quoted people talking about this hypothetical phone, but at some point you decided to talk about a different hypothetical phone, which you insist on calling by the same name. You could have at least mentioned it when you started to talk about a different phone, or refer to it by a different name. |
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And to me, the 11 to 14 million numbers used in this context are not an estimate but a range. There are multiple screen suppliers in the chain. It would appear they have good information on cuts in orders for at least one or two of those suppliers, but not for the other(s). Or at least some of the cuts may be tentative or in flux. If there were only one supplier I could see your point, and then that would appear to be an estimate. Quote:
Also, I was using words like "As an aside ... might ... maybe" so isn't that clear it was just speculation coming from me? "As an aside" would mean I am clearly veering off course. By the way, the quote from the Apple exec denying a "Mini" was given merely to show that Apple will debunk things when they are false. If you look at the comment I posted it in, that's pretty clear. It had nothing to do with the Mini per se. It's just one of the first examples that came up in Google when I was looking for examples of Apple debunking false rumors. --Pat |
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He is not claiming that Apple ordered 19 million, he is claiming that Apple were going to order 19 million, but didn't. Quote:
In the equivalent quarter last year, Apple sold 35 million iPhones, or a bit under 12 million per month. And that was their second best quarter ever. Across the whole of 2012, they sold 10.5 million per month. Quote:
I went to work today. One of those statements is true, the other is not. They are clearly two very different claims. He is not claiming a measurable fact (what Apple had ordered), he is claiming knowledge of their intent (what they expected to order). Quote:
Even if you assume that all the information in the story is true, it wouldn't actually say that. You seem to be putting an awful lot of blind faith in this story. Last edited by murraypaul; 01-17-2013 at 12:44 PM. |
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Oh My. Where's my popcorn.
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The 19 million number is consistent with past quarters in the sense that it is not wildly over the amounts previously sold. Quote:
Two days later I call back and cut that amount to 10. My baker tells his staff: "Pat had expected to order 20 pies for a party but cut that amount to 10." Sounds fine to me. It's a manner of speaking. Quote:
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If he had meant to say that, why didn't he just say it? You seem happy to place 100% belief in his figures, while disregarding his actual words. Quote:
It isn't a fact, it is a claim. The cut their orders because demand is lower. How do we know demand is lower? Because they cut their orders. Quote:
19 million is almost twice the average monthly figure for last year. All the numbers posted as the 'post-cut' figures seem perfectly reasonable, my issue has always been with the 'pre-cut' figures, which I think are ridiculous. If anyone at Apple though that they would sell 65 million iPhones in Q2 then either: a) They were smoking crack, or b) The numbers they are about to release for Q1 must be off the charts. I don't think either of those is particularly likely. My guess is that when the Q2 figures are finally released, they will be less than the 3*14 = 42 million upper end of the 'post-cut' estimate. Quote:
If you had planned to, but never actually phoned him, then you would have expected to order 20 pies, but have not actually ordered them. Quote:
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