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Old 06-03-2019, 03:55 PM   #31
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The Microsoft launcher on Android? Isn't that the one that when it realizes it's on Android it sneakily makes everything get slower and slower? (j/k).
I appreciate the humor. The good news, is that the "new" Msft has fully embraced Linux and Android (and iOS). Msft's mobile products are excellent on both iOS and Android. Sql Server now runs on linux.

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Old 06-03-2019, 04:00 PM   #32
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The Microsoft launcher on Android? Isn't that the one that when it realizes it's on Android it sneakily makes everything get slower and slower? (j/k).
Over ten million installs since october 2017 and a 4.6/5.0 rating.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ncher&hl=en_us

It's far from a joke product.

https://mashtips.com/microsoft-launcher-android/

It embraces and extends Android...

...to boost productivity.
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The Microsoft launcher on Android? Isn't that the one that when it realizes it's on Android it sneakily makes everything get slower and slower? (j/k).
Microsoft realized they would never dominate the phone market (a shame, as Windows Phone seemed really neat) and so they are all over Android now. Aside from the Microsoft launcher, they also have an app for Windows 10 called Your Phone that will synch your photos and text. I can reply to text messages on my Surface.
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getting back to the thread topic for a second, anyone seen or could provide an in-depth review of this?

And getting back to the topic currently at hand, as a longtime linux user knowing about the SCO vs (everyone using Linux) lawsuits debacle, I'm somewhat skeptical of Microsoft.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:34 PM   #35
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And getting back to the topic currently at hand, as a longtime linux user knowing about the SCO vs (everyone using Linux) lawsuits debacle, I'm somewhat skeptical of Microsoft.
Sundar Pichai probably wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat from some awful takeover nightmare.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:48 PM   #36
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I mean, SCO's been in a lawsuit with IBM, who was initially nudged in that direction by Microsoft, since 2003.

Granted, the only reason it's still going on is it needs to be resolved so the creditors can pick the meat off SCO's corpse's bones.

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getting back to the thread topic for a second, anyone seen or could provide an in-depth review of this?
It's a new product and since it's from Walmart it'll be a while before there's enough out in the wild for a consensus to build as to whether it's worth getting or not.

in the meantime, there's quite a few video reviews on youtube. Just run a search there.

The one I linked above is from a long established channel that uses a common methodology for everything from tablets to laptops and other gizmos. If nothing else, if you look at his other tablet reviews you can see how the Walmart tablet stacks up.
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The good news, is that the "new" Msft has fully embraced Linux and Android (and iOS). Msft's mobile products are excellent on both iOS and Android. Sql Server now runs on linux.

Hell hath froze over
MS under Nadella has simply returned to its original mission as a crossplatform productivity tools company.

People forget that before Ballmer, MS supported Atari, Commodore, Apple, CP/M, XENIX (they were the largest Unix vendor on x86 for ages), or that they supported MSDOS on non-clones until that market dried up. A lot of the early Mac GUI conventions were features Apple lifted off MS WORD for the Mac in the pre-release days. (It was baked into the SDK licensing that they could. That licensing agreement was one of the reasons Apple lost the GUI lawsuit against MS.) MS under Gates was all about getting their software everywhere. Anybody remember their MSX gaming platform of the 80's? It was XBOX before XBOX. Too early for the market.

http://www.davevoyles.com/2015/10/21...e-the-msx-was/

Gates even talked to Sun about getting OFFICE on Solaris. When MacNeally realized he couldn't afford the cost he tried to hijack the Windows16 APIs with WABI, trying to get that certified as an international standard to take control away from MS. Which is where the Windows vs Unix hostility started. Until then the two coexisted nicely.

Windows everywhere was Ballmer, not MS.

In that sense, the "New" MS is really Classic MS.
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I think you've cherry picked some data points....but yes, today's Msft is not "windows windows windows". If anything it's "Azure, Azure, Azure" followed by "mobile, mobile, mobile" (iOS and Android).

Practically...for the normal folk....Msft has come up with a fantastic, cross platform set of mobile apps and services.
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I think you've cherry picked some data points....but yes, today's Msft is not "windows windows windows". If anything it's "Azure, Azure, Azure" followed by "mobile, mobile, mobile" (iOS and Android).

Practically...for the normal folk....Msft has come up with a fantastic, cross platform set of mobile apps and services.
Its also XBOX, XBOX, XBOX.
OFFICE, OFFICE, OFFICE.
EXCHANGE, EXCHANGE, EXCHANGE.
SHAREPOINT, SHAREPOINT, SHAREPOINT.
etc.

There's a difference between what the company with the 16 billion-dollar libes of business actually does and what people see in the media.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google...ney-come-from/

At least the mobs have moved on from dissing MS to dissing Amazon, Facebook, and Google. Dissing MS now feels so last millennium.

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And getting back to the topic currently at hand, as a longtime linux user knowing about the SCO vs (everyone using Linux) lawsuits debacle, I'm somewhat skeptical of Microsoft.
You might want to check out the new look 'Please run Linux on Azure' Microsoft:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/micro...141047213.html
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“Ten to 15 years ago we were very focused on the competition between Linux and Windows,” says Microsoft’s chief IP counsel, Erich Andersen, in an interview with Yahoo Finance. “But today Microsoft is a very different company. With the rise of our Azure [cloud services] business, Microsoft has become one of the largest contributors to open source in the world. . . . We’re in a position where, as [CEO] Satya [Nadella] says, we love Linux. We love open source. That’s a big part of the future of our business.”

“Through its participation in OIN, Microsoft is explicitly acknowledging the importance of open source software to its future growth,” comments OIN’s Bergelt in a press release. “Microsoft’s participation in OIN adds to our strong community, which through its breadth and depth has reduced patent risk in core technologies. [It] unequivocally signals for all companies who are using open-source software but have yet to join OIN that the litmus test for authentic behavior in the open-source community includes OIN participation.”
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Against the backdrop of this radically changing landscape, we have seen Microsoft take a series of steps foreshadowing today’s news, all since Nadella took over the reins in February 2014.

In November 2015, for instance, the company reached a “patent standstill agreement” with Red Hat, a major distributor of commercial-grade Linux (and charter OIN member). With no exchange of money, each agreed not to bring patent suits against each other’s customers. This provided comfort to Red Hat customers who wanted to run Red Hat Linux programs on Azure.

About a year later Microsoft began reassuring all Azure customers, through a program called Azure IP Advantage, that it would indemnify them against any patent claims that might be leveled against them for using open-source software on Azure’s cloud. That made it unthinkable that Microsoft would itself level such claims.

Shortly thereafter the company joined the board of the Linux Foundation as a platinum-level member, meaning that it contributed about $500,000. The foundation is a consortium that provides tools, training and events to foster open-source projects.

This past April the company launched its first Linux-based product—Azure Sphere for Internet of Things applications.

Then, in June, it announced that it would pony up $7.5 billion—about what it paid for Nokia five years ago—to acquire GitHub, the leading open-source software development platform. The purchase underlined the extent to which the company was no longer just a proprietary software maker but, rather, in very large part, a services company.
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At least the mobs have moved on from dissing MS to dissing Amazon, Facebook, and Google. Dissing MS now feels so last millennium.
There's still Apple to diss. Although not as much fodder since Jobs passed away.
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Apple is doing away with iTunes. They are going to replace it with 3 apps.
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I think you're reading too much into that. If all those apps are opened using the default launcher, then the Walmart button would of course appear.

Those bottom of the screen buttons are part of the launcher, not the app. If you change the launcher, the buttons will change. Meaning if you install the Google Now launcher or whatever, the Walmart button will go away.

If anyone that actually has one of these tablets could change the launcher and confirm whether or not the Walmart button persists, please post here with the results.
I tried both the Microsoft and Nova (Pro) launchers and the Walmart button persists. Nor can you delete the preinstalled Walmart apps. They are considered system apps and can't be deleted without root.

Actually it's not the launcher you want to replace to get rid of the Walmart button. ADB is your friend. No root required, just ADB on your pc/mac and developer mode and USB debugging enabled on your tablet.

The app method worked for me. I'm glad it did as the walmart button was just a nuisance.
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I KNOW the battery life will suck on the Walmart tablet too. But I want it anyway.
Battery life does tend to be the biggest issue with low-end tablets. If they're actually advertising 5h, you can probably count on it being 3-4h in real-world usage, and that'll be down to 2h in a couple of years' time as the battery ages. Hopeless!
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