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Old 07-20-2018, 11:10 PM   #196
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Hope it will all work out for you...if not, I am selling my Icarus on ebay.
In excellent condition...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/323352749582
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:01 PM   #197
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Out of idle curiosity, why are you selling yours?

I guess many of us will now await the the next round of 8-10 inch eReaders!

Would love to see one in the neighborhood of my Nook HD+ screen which is 8.9 inches and has always been my favorite screen size from which to read.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:13 AM   #198
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Sure, no problem.
I got a Samsung Tab S3 with s pen for a good price and after using both for a while decided for the latter...
I know these are very different beasts, but did not want to own 2 tablets and made my pick.
I wish there was a tab s3 with eink (but same capable cpu and wacom digitizer)....maybe in a few years and then maybe with color eink....
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:14 PM   #199
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"and then maybe with color eink...."

Wouldn't that be great!

PS To All: Heard back from the Kindle repair person in Oregon and he said that he should be able to repair my Icarus. Now I have to wait to the end of July for Icarus to reopen their vacation doors so I can tell them to return the unit. Cannot understand them not being able to do the same thing I will now do for a quick fix! Meanwhile I am out $40.89 for insured send to Eindhoven!!!

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Old 07-30-2018, 10:34 AM   #200
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I purchased nrseife's Icarus gone Boyue and am liking it so far.

The good:
1. I mostly read books borrowed from Overdrive, which means I mostly read via the Kindle Android software. It works well, though not great. I miss an occasional page turn, though that would happen with my Paperwhite too. The 7.8 inch screen really helps as does 300 dpi. The size has the unexpected benefit of making one handed operation possible. I'm quite happy with the Kindle reading experience on the device.

The weight's well distributed, so I can hold it in my left hand only and use my thumb for page turns. The screen's bright enough and white enough. I've had no crashes while reading. So far, that's been about 450 pages.
I'd like night mode, but not having it isn't a dealbreaker for me.
The rubber backing reminds me of the Nook Simple Touch and I'm not thinking "Boy, the Kindle Paperwhite text was easier to read."

2. it does work with my favorite bluetooth keyboard, the Logitech k380. I use Jotter Pad
and WPS Office (kingsoft) both can access Google Drive, but updating to Google Drive is a little complicated. e-ink itself is quite slow though. It's not necessarily a bad thing when writing. It may not be a great thing for note taking.

3. It does work with Google Calendar

4. Pocket, Overdrive (the audiobook part even), Opera Mini, and, sort of suprisingly, Spotify all work fine with the proviso that e-ink simply doesn't do well with rapidly changing content with or without a2 mode.

5. it did crash once. I pulled the charge pin out while typing. It recovered fairly easily. You press the on/off switch and the back button at the same time. Having a frozen screen for several minutes was scary though.

6. I only expected some tablet functions with this. In addition to easier reading in sunlight, e-ink and monochrome can be a lot less distracting for text-intensive functions. Other than being slow, writing on on e-ink screen can be more immersive.

The bad
1. Android 4.22 means limited bluetooth support. My bluetooth receiver and 2 foldable keyboards didn't work. I suspect there may be a workaround, but it's a pain to have to search around for one.
2. More serious for me, I'll have to run an older version of Google Docs. I haven't tried ADB and all that other fun stuff with it yet as I managed to do on a 7" Kindle Fire. If I can do that, I'll probably be happier, because I'll be able to go back and forth from my regular computer/chromebook to the Icarus/Boyue. Google apparently is eliminating support for older version of Android, so 4.42 is likely only a temporary fix, even if someone managed to get 4.42 into the firmware for this.

3. it's really hard to find cases, since off-brand tablet/readers with a 4x3 7.8 inch screen are very unusual.


4. for anything but reading, the battery life is similar to a tablet of the same size. It appears to be good for a day of fairly intense use 8 hours + of mixed reading and more android like functions which inevitably involve lots of screen writes which I suspect use a fair amount of power . If you're doing more than reading, it's not a device you can leave uncharged for a week.

5. The micro usb port doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence, nor does the on/off switch.

Bottom line, it gives me most of what I wanted: a reader that also offers the flexibility of some tablet functions. If it ran a more modern android version, it would be about 95% of the way there. The last 5% may be about something that I'm now very aware of.

There's probably a difference between an e-ink reader that runs android and an e-ink tablet that's been optimized for that purpose with apps written to address some of the differences that an e-ink screen presents. Sadly, I suspect there aren't many people who want an e-ink tablet. Android tablets are sort of disappearing and most of the people who use them primarily consume media or play games. E-ink itself is primarily for text and with the rise of voice prompted devices in the ultra-portable realm, I suspect demand for an E-ink tablet is just not going to merit much development.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:00 AM   #201
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Icarus RMA follow-up.

I am somewhat speechless. Now they are holding my unit "hostage" even though it was sent to them in good faith via their own RMA system. The way it is written, I cannot even determine whether the charge for inspection and return shipping actually includes the return shipping charge! What a fiasco and this is a company that I would certainly not deal with again. For those of you who have made the Boyue software switch, be careful with your USB port. If it does break, there is a way to repair it here in the USA and not encounter what I have.

"Thank you for your email.

When software of thirth parties is installed, the warranty will immediately will expire.
It is not compatible with our devices/ chips installed.

When you have been able to install new software, your usb port was not broken. Because you have to use the port to connect your device to a pc.

We can return your device, when you pay for the shippingcosts and inspection costs which are € 22.50 excl shippingcosts."
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Old 08-03-2018, 10:47 AM   #202
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I purchased nrseife's Icarus gone Boyue and am liking it so far.

The good:
1. I mostly read books borrowed from Overdrive, which means I mostly read via the Kindle Android software. It works well, though not great. I miss an occasional page turn, though that would happen with my Paperwhite too. The 7.8 inch screen really helps as does 300 dpi. The size has the unexpected benefit of making one handed operation possible. I'm quite happy with the Kindle reading experience on the device.

The weight's well distributed, so I can hold it in my left hand only and use my thumb for page turns. The screen's bright enough and white enough. I've had no crashes while reading. So far, that's been about 450 pages.
I'd like night mode, but not having it isn't a dealbreaker for me.
The rubber backing reminds me of the Nook Simple Touch and I'm not thinking "Boy, the Kindle Paperwhite text was easier to read."

2. it does work with my favorite bluetooth keyboard, the Logitech k380. I use Jotter Pad
and WPS Office (kingsoft) both can access Google Drive, but updating to Google Drive is a little complicated. e-ink itself is quite slow though. It's not necessarily a bad thing when writing. It may not be a great thing for note taking.

3. It does work with Google Calendar

4. Pocket, Overdrive (the audiobook part even), Opera Mini, and, sort of suprisingly, Spotify all work fine with the proviso that e-ink simply doesn't do well with rapidly changing content with or without a2 mode.

5. it did crash once. I pulled the charge pin out while typing. It recovered fairly easily. You press the on/off switch and the back button at the same time. Having a frozen screen for several minutes was scary though.

6. I only expected some tablet functions with this. In addition to easier reading in sunlight, e-ink and monochrome can be a lot less distracting for text-intensive functions. Other than being slow, writing on on e-ink screen can be more immersive.

The bad
1. Android 4.22 means limited bluetooth support. My bluetooth receiver and 2 foldable keyboards didn't work. I suspect there may be a workaround, but it's a pain to have to search around for one.
2. More serious for me, I'll have to run an older version of Google Docs. I haven't tried ADB and all that other fun stuff with it yet as I managed to do on a 7" Kindle Fire. If I can do that, I'll probably be happier, because I'll be able to go back and forth from my regular computer/chromebook to the Icarus/Boyue. Google apparently is eliminating support for older version of Android, so 4.42 is likely only a temporary fix, even if someone managed to get 4.42 into the firmware for this.

3. it's really hard to find cases, since off-brand tablet/readers with a 4x3 7.8 inch screen are very unusual.


4. for anything but reading, the battery life is similar to a tablet of the same size. It appears to be good for a day of fairly intense use 8 hours + of mixed reading and more android like functions which inevitably involve lots of screen writes which I suspect use a fair amount of power . If you're doing more than reading, it's not a device you can leave uncharged for a week.

5. The micro usb port doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence, nor does the on/off switch.

Bottom line, it gives me most of what I wanted: a reader that also offers the flexibility of some tablet functions. If it ran a more modern android version, it would be about 95% of the way there. The last 5% may be about something that I'm now very aware of.

There's probably a difference between an e-ink reader that runs android and an e-ink tablet that's been optimized for that purpose with apps written to address some of the differences that an e-ink screen presents. Sadly, I suspect there aren't many people who want an e-ink tablet. Android tablets are sort of disappearing and most of the people who use them primarily consume media or play games. E-ink itself is primarily for text and with the rise of voice prompted devices in the ultra-portable realm, I suspect demand for an E-ink tablet is just not going to merit much development.


Tablets are definitely on the decline. I had to go through AliExpress to China to get my hands on a Huawei Mediapad X2 (the best 7" tablet ever released) which I use for reading purposes.

I've been very interested in an E-ink tablet that combines the best of both worlds for reading but so far what I have read makes them seem pretty underwhelming.

for me, the differences between my Kobo Aura One (32GB) and my new 7" tablet are pretty obvious. The Kobo can be used in sunlight and has a great battery (although the Huawei has a huge battery for a 7" device and is good for easily 2 days).

The tablet however is vastly faster and lets me use Moon reader Pro. I carry my entire library with me on my device (and its vast) as I travel frequently. As such storage is needed as is a fast device that can index and let me browse at will.

Also, the Kobo is not great for reading series metadata, something that Moon Reader in Android is great for.
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:51 PM   #203
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very sorry to hear about your horrible experience with Icarus. There might be some recourse through the Dutch government. Have you looked into that?
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:01 PM   #204
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I suspect E-ink Carta can't be made to draw fast enough to be a full-on tablet substitute. While the firmware and software probably could be improved and it would certainly help to be able to run a newer version of bluetooth, my guess is that the speed of e-ink itself is going to be the bottleneck.

So far, it's fast enough for me to write with and I do like being able to type in sunlight. It's marginal, at best, for web surfing.

Personally, I find that the monochrome screen helps me focus. I'm using jotter pad synched to the google cloud. The one hitch is that jotter pad works best with txt files and google docs wants to save things in its own format. Should I do something in google docs to a document, I then have to download it as a txt file and put it back into the folder. It's certainly bearable, but it's far from seamless.

Bottom line, I still carry around a tablet. I use the e-reader's tablet functions mostly when outdoors or when it's my one device. They still come in handy though.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:59 AM   #205
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"Airbus02": Thanks for the support!

The truly galling issue (along with their awful and inconsistent communications) is that I told them at the outset that I had altered the software and why I did it along with it having no impact on the USB port at the time of my initial RMA request. That was the time for them to tell me that due to the software change I would be liable for any and all charges for inspection, repair, return shipping, etc. I could then have made a fully informed decision as to proceed with them or not. That was not done and here I am with no unit and effectively having to pay "ransom" for its retrieval.

If I hear nothing further via their email system by 8/7 , I intend to send a snail mail letter to their Manager of Business Development (Inna Melnyk) along with a summation of the email contents and request her direct intervention.

At this juncture, I would be willing to split the legitimate costs of return "shipping and handling" if it was a legitimate figure that did not encompass trying to charge me for the so called "inspection".
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https://amsterdam-mamas.nl/articles/...ts-netherlands

Don't know if this helps or if you've seen it already. My suggestion, assuming you meet the requirements, is to start cc ing your correspondence with Icarus to the Dutch consumer rights authority. Your communications from Icarus almost sound like they're writing you back from some Amsterdam coffee house.
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According to what I looked up, the size of the company is 8-10 people so you may not be far off! Photo of their "headquarters" is a nice looking, modern building but you are clueless as to how much space they occupy.

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