George R.R. Martin Gives Quick Update on Winds of Winter Progress

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by frahse

A watched pot never boils!

Tons of watched pots have boiled under scrutiny since GRRM's pot last did. His fire has gone out.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Tons of watched pots have boiled under scrutiny since GRRM's pot last did. His fire has gone out.

You keep insisting on this but all evidence is to the contrary.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

You keep insisting on this but all evidence is to the contrary.

No. Only the evidence you choose to acknowledge leads you to believe that. I see plenty of evidence that his desire to write for ASoIaF is waning (if not out altogether).

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

No. Only the evidence you choose to acknowledge leads you to believe that. I see plenty of evidence that his desire to write for ASoIaF is waning (if not out altogether).

Yes evidence such as him putting out a book in the universe and what is arguably a rather generous number of updates on his writing of Winds. Since the interview in the OP he’s also updated his blog about it.

It’s one thing if you’re no longer interested in the series, but Martin has a history of taking his time with this series. And has thus far been peer open about how he writes and his expectations as well as acknowledging when he won’t meet them. He certainly doesn’t need the money or the work and putting a cork in the series would put an end to a lot of frustrations for him from fans and interviewers alike. If he didn’t want to finish why keep wasting his time working on it.

[DiapDealer]

I'm not the only one who feels this way. Stop trying to make me out as an outlier. And for the record ... the "evidence" you've given that he's not lost interest in writing for the series is actually nothing of the sort. In fact, his time spent blogging about writing, conventions, tv shows, NY-based sports teams, and figurine painting are all evidence that actually sitting down and churning out words for the books is something that's lower on his list priorities than many, many other things. His "openness" about sucking at deadlines is not eveidence that he's still invested.

Originally Posted by MGlitch

If he didn’t want to finish why keep wasting his time working on it.

He's not working on it. He's making a career out of talking about working on it.

It's OK if you're choosing drinking his kool-aid. Just don't expect the rest of us to do so. Novel-writing is merely his hobby now that his fortunes have been effectively severed from his ability to deliver a finished product in a reasonable amount of time.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I'm not the only one who feels this way. Stop trying to make me out as an outlier. And for the record ... the "evidence" you've given that he's not lost interest in writing for the series is actually nothing of the sort. In fact, his time spent blogging about writing, conventions, tv shows, NY-based sports teams, and figurine painting are all evidence that actually sitting down and churning out words for the books is something that's lower on his list priorities than many, many other things. His "openness" about sucking at deadlines is not eveidence that he's still invested.


He's not working on it. He's making a career out of talking about working on it.

It's OK if you're choosing drinking his kool-aid. Just don't expect the rest of us to do so. Novel-writing is merely his hobby now that his fortunes have been effectively severed from his ability to deliver a finished product in a reasonable amount of time.

Nice theory except he doesn’t need a connection to the series anymore so why bother talking about it as a career. He continues to work as an editor for Wild Cards, and obviously still has some ties with his other series becoming shows.

It’s fine if you’re too cynical to take him at his word but don’t pretend like your cynicism is actual evidence that the rest of us should pay any attention to.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

It’s fine if you’re too cynical to take him at his word but don’t pretend like your cynicism is actual evidence that the rest of us should pay any attention to.

Sure. Just as soon as you stop pretending your gullibility and trust in the word of someone you don't know from Adam is actual evidence that those of us who are tired of his games should pay any attention to.

[Sirtel]

I believe he lost interest in writing the ASOIAF sometime after the third book. No, I have no evidence, just a gut feeling. Yes, he has continued to work on the series, but imho the spark has gone out a long time ago. It's just drudgery for him now. And he hasn't the courage to just come out and admit it. Perhaps he hasn't even admitted it to himself.

Mind, all that is pure speculation. YMMV.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Sure. Just as soon as you stop pretending your gullibility and trust in the word of someone you don't know from Adam is actual evidence that those of us who are tired of his games should pay any attention to.

Oh sorry I’ll get to work breaking into his place to produce evidence of his writing more for winds, oh wait he’s released several chapter previews. Guess he’s just manufacturing those too?

By the way you might want to look up gullible in the dictionary before lobbing it around. GRRM has an established history of producing what he says he’s working on. But you keep living that cynical life where you denounce any evidence that counters your opinion as kool aid drinking gullibility, meanwhile offering nothing up of your own save weak conjecture which ignores established patterns of behavior.

Your whole argument boils down to he hasn’t published it yet thus he isn’t interested in writing it anymore.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

By the way you might want to look up gullible in the dictionary before lobbing it around. GRRM has an established history of producing what he says he’s working on.

And I have 24 years of established history in judging that production (and the ever increasing lack thereof). I know what gullible means. There should be pictures of GRRM fans who defend his lack of production, professionalism (dead-lines exist for a reason), skill, and effort beside the entry in the dictionary.

Any author who would allow a TV show to present the generally outlined ending to their supposed magnum opus (with their blessing) before they officially wrote/released it, doesn't really consider it their magnum opus any more.

Originally Posted by MGlitch

Your whole argument boils down to he hasn’t published it yet thus he isn’t interested in writing it anymore.

No. It doesn't. It's the increasing time for each book published. It's the declining quality (and increasing filler). It's the fact that he allowed someone else to present "The End" before he wrote it himself. And countless other clues that it's become a slog for him. He'd rather edit Wild Cards and watch TV. Might not be clear to you (yet), but it is to me and others.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

And I have 24 years of established history in judging that production (and the ever increasing lack thereof). I know what gullible means. There should be pictures of GRRM fans who defend his lack of production, professionalism (dead-lines exist for a reason), skill, and effort beside the entry in the dictionary.

Congratulations on reading the series from its release date, which adds absolutely nothing to your credibility nor does it actually count as even an iota of evidence.

Lack of production:

I guess Fire and Blood was just a fevre dream? I suppose the Wild Cards novels released since Dance and then since Fire and Blood were as well? To say nothing of the work he'd done on the HBO series, and spin offs, and the work on other works of his becoming series.

Yep, real lack of any production from GRRM.

I'll leave his professionalism to the people it matters to, his publishers. Who are still making good money off ASoIaF, Wild Cards, etc. and who if they felt so aggrieved by him could cancel their contract with him. But you keep raging about it, I'm sure they're crying all the way to the bank.

[HLS]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

There's a long interview of George R.R. Martin and Stephen King on YouTube. But here's a short clip where George talks about writing stuff and then hating it and doubting he has talent. No, I'm not saying George suffers from clinical depression. But you can see why he moves so slowly.

That was a good clip. Not sue what you mean buy slow. a few pages a day is a good pace. I am sure he cranks out more if he is on a roll

[HLS]

I only read 1/2 of the first book. it was easier watching game of thrones on HBO lol

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

No. It doesn't. It's the increasing time for each book published. It's the declining quality (and increasing filler). It's the fact that he allowed someone else to present "The End" before he wrote it himself. And countless other clues that it's become a slog for him. He'd rather edit Wild Cards and watch TV. Might not be clear to you (yet), but it is to me and others.

Increasing time, during which he's been doing nothing I'm sure... oh wait no see my above post.

Quality/filler - subjective at best, not exactly great pillars for a belief but hey you do you.

The show giving us "the end", yes the show which had already radically deviated from the books by season 3.



I've got a nice house to sell you, its a grand towering thing. One hitch, it's entirely made of cards.

[DiapDealer]

Keep muddying the water with his output on non-ASoIaF if you like. My premise has always been that he's tired of writing ASoIaF. That he's churning out other works with any regularity is enough evidence for me that he's looking for distractions from a series he's fallen out of love with.

And his work on the TV show??? Please. Writing one episode per season isn't really that impressive. The rest of his "work" on the show amounts to traveling and glad-handing.

You couldn't sell ice-water in hell. But you keep amusing yourself that your points are salient and mine are silly.