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Old 09-09-2021, 02:05 AM   #31
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I think we are talking past each other. If a user is explicitly changing justification settings, the rendering goes wrong. Obviously if they don't the settings are respected. What can one do preventing the timestamp to be overriden?
But, if the user explicitly changes the justification settings and the book does not obey them, isn't that wrong?

The answer is you cannot do what you want with the kepub renderer. There is no way to differentiate between justification that can be overriden and justification that cannot. For certain tags, the kepub renderer overrides this not matter what. The rules the RMSDK follows are different. Which is more correct will depend on your viewpoint. And based on my experience here, people will vigorously support both ways of doing it.

You might be able to fake it somehow with margins or padding or something. But, I suspect you will not be able to get it working the same on all ereaders or apps. Or font sizes. It is similar to the issues with drop-caps. You can fiddle and get it working perfectly, but, change the font size or font, and it falls apart.
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Old 09-09-2021, 02:19 AM   #32
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I wondering why Nook works great with border-radius. It seems that Adobe RMSDK is also used there (not the latest version). And nevertheless, it displays everything perfectly ... It turns out that they fixed it in Nook, but in Kobo they did not do it ...
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Old 09-09-2021, 07:04 AM   #33
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Mmm, I'm not sure whether we're discussing float or border-radius, but...
Could you post that book so we can try it? My memory has it the same as @DNSB's result, but, maybe there is something different in how you are doing it.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:49 AM   #34
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Could you post that book so we can try it?
Here you go. The screenshot that I already posted did have the text-aligns in it that were ignored.
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Old 09-09-2021, 10:58 AM   #35
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The boxes are centred on Calibre Viewer, otherwise same as screen shot.
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Ah, apparently AdobeNativeInterface.setJustified("justify"); throws an !important in.
I got rid of that and just added body {text-align: justify} in my CSS for AdobeNativeInterface.setCustomStyleSheet
Now it still justifies books but is amenable to being overriden.
This is B&N Glow RMSDK again:
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Old 09-09-2021, 01:15 PM   #37
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But, if the user explicitly changes the justification settings and the book does not obey them, isn't that wrong?
That would totally dependent if it is a design element or a text element.



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Which is more correct will depend on your viewpoint. And based on my experience here, people will vigorously support both ways of doing it.
What do you mean with both ways of doing it? Defending? Or something else?
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Old 09-10-2021, 01:23 AM   #38
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That would totally dependent if it is a design element or a text element.
Sorry, I don't know what you mean by that. The couple of things I can think of don't make sense to me.

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What do you mean with both ways of doing it? Defending? Or something else?
As a more extreme example, there is an ereader app out there (whose name escapes me completely) that basically ignores the styles and lets the user set them. Some people think this is the best app out there for this reason. Some people think this is the worst app for exactly the same reason.

From the point of view of what the two renderers do on the Kobo, different people think more or less should be overridden. Should it just set justify at the body level and let all the tags within decide? Or should it override it at every level? I've seen arguments for both. And people choosing either epubs or kepubs because of it.

I have no idea what the correct answer is, unless all of them are as it is a personal opinion. But, I also don't really care. I'm not a fan of how the justification works, so I don't use it. And if edit the book for any reason, I will remove the justification, fonts (if I don't like them), any forced hyphenation and some margin settings from the body text classes. I try not to mess with things were I think this styling is important. If the book has a clear overall style, I try to maintain that. With the above exceptions.
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If a book annoys you with egregious styling you can always just unzip it, delete all the .css files and zip it again.
This applies to Adobe DRMed books too, without decrypting anything.
I don't know Kindle, does this work too?
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If a book annoys you with egregious styling you can always just unzip it, delete all the .css files and zip it again.
Better to edit. Simply deleting could create a mess.
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Better to edit.
True, but if the file is DRMed and you don't want to lose your good behavior medal for decrypting it...
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Better to edit. Simply deleting could create a mess.
Not could. It will create a mess. I agree it's better to edit the eBook. Plus, you do learn more about the code. I've learned a lot by editing eBooks.
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True, but if the file is DRMed and you don't want to lose your good behavior medal for decrypting it...
I see no problem removing the DRM. And it really is bad behavior to leave the DRM in place in eBooks you've purchased.
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I play it fairly straight with library books, I don't decrypt them.
That's just my quirk.
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Here you go. The screenshot that I already posted did have the text-aligns in it that were ignored.
Attached are screenshots from my Kobo Glo with firmware version 4.28.18220. The kepub renderer shows the border-radius and the epub/RMSDK renderer does not. Which is what I expected and matches @DNSB's screenshots. Now I am curious as to why the B&N Glow, with an older version of the RMSDK, supports it.
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