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Old 01-27-2024, 09:28 AM   #1
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Old 01-27-2024, 10:23 AM   #2
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Seems a very poor video review with atrocious lighting.
The screen doesn't come close to quality of my two 4K HDR monitors, which cost under €300 each, are paper-like, 3840 x 2160. LG is 23″ and Samsung is 28″. Flicker free.

I'm 100% convinced there is no future for desktop eink, mono or colour. The badly shot video reinforces that view.
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Old 01-29-2024, 04:01 AM   #3
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Seems a very poor video review with atrocious lighting.
The screen doesn't come close to quality of my two 4K HDR monitors, which cost under €300 each, are paper-like, 3840 x 2160. LG is 23″ and Samsung is 28″. Flicker free.

I'm 100% convinced there is no future for desktop eink, mono or colour. The badly shot video reinforces that view.
plenty of people will disagree with you. this is heaven ent for so many who cant stand lcd and led screens. and you cant really compare price between the two
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plenty of people will disagree with you. this is heaven ent for so many who cant stand lcd and led screens. and you cant really compare price between the two
Obviously you've not used a decent quality LCD monitor. I have for over 16 hours in a day.
Also LED TVs/ Tablets/ phones monitors are not real LED (they are either QLED based LCD, LED backlit LCD or OLED which are electroluminescent dots woth phosphors).
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Most saturated Secondary colours: 3 with 15 brightnesses and not fully saturated, but peak is twice as bright.
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No video or animation worth using.
Unusable without frontlight (LED).
It's a $1400 gimmick for people that have only had shiny monitors, or older models.

Indeed you can't compare the price, it's 3 to 6 times the price of a far better 4K HDR desktop monitor.
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I constantly try out all the nonsense you so much praise - the result: conjunctival problems within a very short space of time; So it's definitely not healthy.
Since I started using Eink and projectors my problems stopped.

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The screen doesn't come close to quality of my two 4K HDR monitors, which cost under €300 each, are paper-like, 3840 x 2160. LG is 23″ and Samsung is 28″. Flicker free.
Hmm, I've settled on 96 DPI for years. Current is LG 2560 x 1080 29".
You made me wonder if 5120 x 2160 exists. Of course it does, but expensive.
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Obviously you've not used a decent quality LCD monitor. I have for over 16 hours in a day.
Also LED TVs/ Tablets/ phones monitors are not real LED (they are either QLED based LCD, LED backlit LCD or OLED which are electroluminescent dots woth phosphors).
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Most saturated Secondary colours: 3 with 15 brightnesses and not fully saturated, but peak is twice as bright.
Monochrome: Black, White and 14 greys.
No video or animation worth using.
Unusable without frontlight (LED).
It's a $1400 gimmick for people that have only had shiny monitors, or older models.

Indeed you can't compare the price, it's 3 to 6 times the price of a far better 4K HDR desktop monitor.

Obviously, you have no idea about e-ink monitors.
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Obviously, you have no idea about e-ink monitors.
Of course I have.
Obviously you haven't seen a decent desktop monitor. All screens by Apple are a total fail due to "shiny".

I was even recommending eink for a new portable product in 2007. I worked in R&D for many years. The mono eink monitors are a failure and colour is worse. The eink is perfect for handheld mono ereaders or shop price labels.

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Of course I have.
Obviously you haven't seen a decent desktop monitor. All screens by Apple are a total fail due to "shiny".

I was even recommending eink for a new portable product in 2007. I worked in R&D for many years. The mono eink monitors are a failure and colour is worse. The eink is perfect for handheld mono ereaders or shop price labels.

I don't have Apple monitors, but I do have a Mira Pro. Additionally, I have seen and worked with several LCD monitors over the years. And I have seen the newest OLED LG 27" monitor, too.


So, you have no idea about e-ink monitors.
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Old 02-09-2024, 03:53 AM   #10
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I constantly try out all the nonsense you so much praise - the result: conjunctival problems within a very short space of time; So it's definitely not healthy.
Since I started using Eink and projectors my problems stopped.
exactly. that guy doesnt know what he's talking about
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Of course I have.
Obviously you haven't seen a decent desktop monitor. All screens by Apple are a total fail due to "shiny".

I was even recommending eink for a new portable product in 2007. I worked in R&D for many years. The mono eink monitors are a failure and colour is worse. The eink is perfect for handheld mono ereaders or shop price labels.
Many people can't stand LCD/oled devices because of the BACKLIGHT, not the resolution or other factors. thats why they buy an eink monitor. On a LCD/oled etc. monitor my eyes hurt after an few hours. On an eink monitor I can work all day and no problems
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Of course I have.
Obviously you haven't seen a decent desktop monitor. All screens by Apple are a total fail due to "shiny".

I was even recommending eink for a new portable product in 2007. I worked in R&D for many years. The mono eink monitors are a failure and colour is worse. The eink is perfect for handheld mono ereaders or shop price labels.
Reality is far bigger than your experience, and obviously you are not aware of this, altought you will disagree that.

What works for you doesn't work for many people who are not you, and even if you come here just saying they all are wrong and you know more than the others, the eyes of other people still get irritated with the LCD monitors your knowledge accepts as valid.

Stop undervalueting the experiences of others.
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I think the technology is great for some people, and irritatingly bad for others. It's been a few years, but I remember some posters coming on here and bitterly complaining about past colour ereaders. It was bad enough that I thought they would be scaring off people who genuinely might like it. So, I'm okay with Quoth coming here and warning people that the displays are not as good as other technologies. If it convinces those who would never be satisfied with colour e-ink to stay away, then he is doing everyone a favour. Those of us who enjoy reading on whatever colour e-ink is available probably won't be discouraged by comparisons to other displays, so no harm done.
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So, I'm okay with Quoth coming here and warning people that the displays are not as good as other technologies.
I don't agree with recommending devices that are obviously harmful to some and discouraging devices that don't cause problems - but that's exactly what happened here.
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It's a myth that any OLED or LCD screen inherently can harm. Some people have them too bright, or have a shiny screen with bright reflections on it, which will cause eye strain due to changing focus and thus a headache.

I've also seen dozens of workers that need reading glasses using huge screens at low resolution far away from normal reading distance instead of prescription glasses.

There are indeed too many low quality screens on the market, some by premium brands.

Also it's true that for reading novels nothing beats a mono eink using ambient light.

There is no physical or optical difference from LCD with too bright backlight or any kind of eink with front light to the same brightness.

If you have a screen issue, consider the quality of it and visit qualified medical people. A desktop eink monitor, especially colour models, is a poor substitute for good medical advice, ergonomic lighting and position and a decent non-shiny screen.

This was all researched 40 years ago. IBM (for instance) sold mono, CGA and EGA screens with no physical adjustment, very curved and shiny like a goldfish bowl. People got headaches. Some other CRTs had matt nylon mesh and flatter CRTs. Eventually there were coated surface black matt flat CRTs.

Then plenty of makers have produced LCD and OLED screens with ultra shiny polished surface (because that's much cheaper), including Apple. Also akward to adjust brightness, or poor quality backlighting.

A portable mono eink is still the best solution for reading novels. A mono eink desktop monitor is useless for anything other than very static content and needs special room lighting and probably the front light on, which is LEDs. Physics is against any decent colour eink based on mono eink panels.

This is not opinion but based on professional education, training, working BBC, Audio-Visual services and supplying computers (for over 15 years) and office consultancy. Consultation with eye specialists and reading research.

By all means spend x4 to x5 more on an eink desktop monitor rather than well planned workspace and decent LCD screen (and LG, Benq & Samsung do plenty of poor ones), but don't make fake claims on performance or medical grounds even if it works for you. It will be worse for most computer users. It's an expensive niche product and has a whiff of fake claims like many "high-end" cables and HiFi, rightly branded Audiophoolery.
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