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Really, the only ones with any real reason to complain about copyright infringement of the downloading sort are the used music, DVD, video game, and (most relevant to this site) book dealers, as well movie/game rental shops (Blockbuster), and any public library that might have to justify its existance purely based on the number of borrowed items in any given period. THEY are the ones where a downloaded copy is almost certainly a lost sale/rental, not the original producer of the "intellectual property," as their customers generally wouldn't buy new and therefore wouldn't be giving the OP anything anyways. |
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10-08-2012, 08:29 AM | #97 |
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Our culture in general has a relaxed attitude to "torrenting".
Depending on where you are on the internet. I belong to a knitting site, and I see conversations about people who torrented this or that show so they could "catch up", and wholehearted approval and pats on the back, but find one of the knitting patterns on a torrent site? Evil thieves! How dare they think they can get a designer's work for free?!? I sometimes do a word search for the word "torrent" on twitter and I find tweets that from the same user "don't mind"' torrenting one thing, but other things are sacrosanct and they refuse to touch it. |
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10-08-2012, 09:27 AM | #100 |
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Copyright is a government-authorised monopoly, piracy is simply outlawed competition. Thus copyright legislation is just anti-competitive and leads to inferior products (overpriced, DRMed, wrong/missing/low-quality formats/media, delayed release dates, shitty DVD transfers, holding back soft-cover books for months etc.)
I am for the abolition of copyright law. If that won't happen, at least make it stop at a sensible time, say 5—10 years maximum after the death of the creator(s) and legalize noncommercial filesharing. Anything less just won't work. I also like to buy digital music and ebooks, when they are priced right and the service is good. Thus I buy Kindle books (in spite of the DRM) and Amazon MP3s, particularly because of the Cloud backup, the ability to use the files on all devices I want to use them on, and the knowing that the creators get their fair share. Unfortunately, there is no such service for movies yet. I live in Europe, so no Netflix or Amazon VOD. I use Linux, so iTunes does not work. Thus I am only left with DVDs and going to the cinema which I won't bother with unless I really (think I will) love a movie alot. One of the websites where I have bought probably the most digital books and audio is a very small niche publisher who never used DRM and always offered cloud storage of my files bought there, all the way back to 2006. As far as I know, that publisher started out by selling their ebooks as unprotected .doc Microsoft Word files back in 1998 and it certainly worked for them ever since (They later moved on to PDF and now MOBI and EPUB). They did not even sell physical books till years later. Amazon has caught up to them with audio, but not with books yet. Goes to show how inflexible big corporations are. Last edited by Dylan Tomorrow; 10-08-2012 at 09:46 AM. |
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People selling bootlegs and other illegal copies - deserve to be prosecuted. And they are here in the U.S. - big bootleg DVD operations have been shut down here - that's a criminal offense.
Here's an example: http://www.timesnews.net/article/903...f-pirated-dvds There's a difference between someone illegally downloading something to use it - they might never have bought it, and how it's not that different than using a library - and someone profiting off others' work with fake merchandise. |
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10-08-2012, 11:49 AM | #103 |
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According to too many scared people, it seems like the sky will indeed fall once that happens. On the other hand, non-commercial filesharing is already legal in several countries, e. g. Spain, so yeah ... It's probably not gonna bring about the end of civilization as we know it.
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10-08-2012, 12:05 PM | #105 | |
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Since in the UK it's legal to record a program in order to time-shift. Catchup TV is in itself a form of time-shifting. Missing a show on tv that you legally had access to (ie if it was a Cable/Sky exclusive you have to have a valid and current subscription to that service) then downloading a torrent watching it and deleting it is little different to setting the recorder, recording it, watching it and deleting it. Of course the law says different, one if legal, one isn't. But I can easily see why people don't see catch-up torrenting as wrong. It's not a big problem really, as services are becoming available for free from most TV companies to allow catch-up/on demand. It's a problem that will eventually go away. |
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