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Define "timely fashion", with physical books it's possible you'll wait just as long if not longer. Should we then criticize the libraries for not providing the public with books in a timely fashion? As there is no requirement to read a book within the first 8 weeks, or even the first 8 years of its release your argument for "timely fashion" is absurd, and has no relevance when the libraries are opting to never provide the ebook to patrons, as opposed to a limited availability which opens to a wider one later. Quote:
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11-14-2019, 01:13 AM | #319 | |
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I don’t believe I’ve said Macmillan was flat out right to do this, I’ve said I support their right to make this choice and I can see their reasoning. The libraries and those who can’t or won’t buy new releases might not like the decision but most of that group isn’t going to affect the publishers bottom line by a significant amount from what the publisher has decided to do. I also support PRHs right to make their choice which the libraries etc are likely to love. If you’d care to give me both publishers data, which I appreciate you can’t because neither will release it, I’d say what I would do. I have also defended the libraries right to raise awareness in the press about the issue and to try to educate their patrons about the issue. That is their business after all though they are a non profit. What I do not support is a library refusing to supply the public with the books from one publisher indefinitely (again I refer you to their statements which do not include an end for not purchasing) while also trying to whinge that the publisher is the one making it harder to read new books. Nor do I support the libraries very intentional misrepresentation of the terms laid out by Macmillan in an attempt to garner sympathy. It’s lying through omission. I don’t need the nitty gritty breakdown of the finances but to leave out the broader details is a very good way to make me suspicious of your (the libraries) motives. Macmillan presented the broader picture. They omitted the nitty gritty financial details but I’m going to assume they do not want to lose money, and they believe this is the right path. In comparing their release to the libraries statements it’s rather clear the libraries were depending on pathos based arguments while the publishers presented logos based ones. As the libraries have already tried to deceive me in this situation I’m inclined to overlook their claims in favor of those of Macmillan. I’d cover overdrive but their bias in wanting ebooks to be unrestricted to the libraries colors everything they say. And I’ve already talked about their using statistics without providing the raw numbers. |
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My library is also stopping getting the Macmillan digital books; not sure about the printed books.
The library stated the terms of "1 copy" for the 'library' & a wait of 8 weeks for other copies. I think that the library is justified in being upset about the '1 copy' as the library is a county library with around 22 local branches; would prefer that the '1 copy' be for each branch. The library also has a blurb on the home page that updates some statistics. As of yesterday, the library loaned out a bit over 1.897 million digital copies of books. Looks to be lots of usage of digital books. Now, if the school libraries also join in not buying Macmillan printed or ebooks & the teachers not using Macmillan text books, Macmillan will have a loss. |
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Except you’re neglecting that the license they get in those first 8 weeks is cheaper and perpetual. Meaning in the long run it becomes more like a physical book with the advantages of an ebook.
Those 4ish people and anyone wanting to explore the backlog of an author in years to come would be disadvantaged unless the authors backlist continued to be massively popular such as Rowling. Thanks to Overdrive we already know some authors ebooks disappear from the library. Again I’ll point out that not providing any ebooks for those 8 weeks which are unbiased in who gets them as much as possible still serves their community better than not having any for those 8 weeks. Especially as there is no conditional requirement on the license purchased in the initial 8 weeks. Yes they are serving less than with other systems but that is still more than 0. |
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The grass always looks greener from the other side of the fence.
I am sure it will get sorted out sooner or later. If Macmillan decides to change terms again, I do hope they keep at least the first copy perpetual. Regardless if it is bought within the first 8 weeks or not. |
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Libraries never by enough of popular books anyway. Yes, a FEW very lucky patrons get to read the popular book first thing. The rest are waiting anyway.
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Why would they give libraries a benefit and get nothing in return? It seems very unlikely to me. Compromise is each side gives a little, not one side takes while the other side gives.
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