Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > Reading Recommendations

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-27-2019, 03:48 PM   #1
Luffy
Wizard
Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Luffy's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,272
Karma: 415417141
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mauritius
Device: Kindle Paperwhite Manga
Holly Black

Is anyone familiar with her work? Her newest book is out, and I've forgotten its name.
Luffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2019, 04:00 PM   #2
pwalker8
Grand Sorcerer
pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pwalker8 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 6,129
Karma: 44885114
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2
She's mostly known as a YA/middle grade author. Her book The Queen of Nothing is the new book. I read her Magisterium series, but not her other stuff.
pwalker8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 11-29-2019, 02:03 PM   #3
hildea
Fanatic
hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
hildea's Avatar
 
Posts: 518
Karma: 18636972
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Norway
Device: PocketBook Touch Lux (had a BeBook Neo earlier)
I've read some of her YA books: The darkest part of the forest (faeries), The coldest girl in Coldtown (vampires) and the Curse Workers triology (magic and organised crime). I liked them all, she's good at giving her own twist to things.

The stories I've read are pretty dark, here's the protagonist in the first chapter of the first Curse Workers book:

Quote:
Donít be too sympathetic. Hereís the essential truth about me: I killed a girl when I was fourteen. Her name was Lila, she was my best friend, and I loved her. I killed her anyway. Thereís a lot of the murder that seems like a blur, but my brothers found me standing over her body with blood on my hands and a weird smile tugging at my mouth. What I remember most is the feeling I had looking down at Lilaóthe giddy glee of having gotten away with something.
No one knows Iím a murderer except my family. And me, of course.
I donít want to be that person, so I spend most of my time at school faking and lying. It takes a lot of effort to pretend youíre something youíre not. I donít think about what music I like; I think about what music I should like. When I had a girlfriend, I tried to convince her I was the guy she wanted me to be. When Iím in a crowd, I hang back until I can figure out how to make them laugh. Luckily, if thereís one thing Iím good at, itís faking and lying.
I told you Iíd done plenty wrong.
I haven't read her newest series, you can find info on it here: https://blackholly.com/
hildea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2019, 06:50 AM   #4
Luffy
Wizard
Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Luffy's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,272
Karma: 415417141
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mauritius
Device: Kindle Paperwhite Manga
I didn't like that characterisation. It was clumsy and cheap. Sorry about my reaction. Not my thing, simple as that.
Luffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 02:55 AM   #5
hildea
Fanatic
hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
hildea's Avatar
 
Posts: 518
Karma: 18636972
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Norway
Device: PocketBook Touch Lux (had a BeBook Neo earlier)
* shrug * OK, not everything is for everyone.

Since you started a thread about Black, I assume something about her books caught your attention. If you were thinking about checking out her books, I hope one quote won't put you off her. In case it matters, that quote is in the voice of a protagonist who has at that point in the story just been expelled from school because he's suspected of being a victim of a curse and the school is worried about liability, and he has to sort out how to handle his illegal betting network at school while he's away, face moving back to his mafia family which he has a strained relationship with, and also find out if he actually has been cursed, so he's under some stress
hildea is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 12-05-2019, 03:07 AM   #6
gmw
cacoethes scribendi
gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
gmw's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,566
Karma: 111483904
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650
The characterisation does seem rather explicit - perhaps related to the author's more usual stomping ground of YA. One might hope things would settle as the story moves on. But just as some author voices work for us on a some personal/intangible level, some don't. I see Holly Black is putting out some collaborations with Cassandra Clare, which hits my point exactly. I haven't read Holly Black, but I have read a couple of Cassandra Clare's books and they just don't work for me: she has a way of expressing things that often grates on my nerves, despite finding some of the stories to have potential. But given her popularity it's obvious not everyone feels the same way.
gmw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 03:27 AM   #7
hildea
Fanatic
hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
hildea's Avatar
 
Posts: 518
Karma: 18636972
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Norway
Device: PocketBook Touch Lux (had a BeBook Neo earlier)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmw View Post
The characterisation does seem rather explicit - perhaps related to the author's more usual stomping ground of YA.
The book I'm quoting from is YA And while the characterisation is explicit, it isn't necessarily completely true -- there are reasons why the protagonist goes to some pains to try to convince the reader that he's a bad person.

The dividing line between YA and books aimed at adults seem pretty murky to me, by the way. Frankly, I often can't tell if a book is YA or not without checking the publisher's categorization.
hildea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 06:39 AM   #8
gmw
cacoethes scribendi
gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
gmw's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,566
Karma: 111483904
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650
When I checked that series on Kobo it didn't classify it as Kids/Teen/YA, as it does many other works by the same author (Kobo AU only had book 3).

Yes, works in any genre may be widely diverse and difficult to categorise. But, with that disclaimer out of the way, the excerpt was what I would describe as first-person self-obsessed, so YA would have been my first guess if Kobo had not suggested otherwise. (Yes, first-person is annoyingly ubiquitous these days and not limited to YA, and no, self-obsessed is not the exclusive purview of YA, so I might have been wrong, but my initial reaction was still: YA.)

Last edited by gmw; 12-05-2019 at 06:45 AM.
gmw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 10:13 AM   #9
Luffy
Wizard
Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Luffy's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,272
Karma: 415417141
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mauritius
Device: Kindle Paperwhite Manga
Quote:
Originally Posted by hildea View Post
* shrug * OK, not everything is for everyone.

Since you started a thread about Black, I assume something about her books caught your attention. If you were thinking about checking out her books, I hope one quote won't put you off her. In case it matters, that quote is in the voice of a protagonist who has at that point in the story just been expelled from school because he's suspected of being a victim of a curse and the school is worried about liability, and he has to sort out how to handle his illegal betting network at school while he's away, face moving back to his mafia family which he has a strained relationship with, and also find out if he actually has been cursed, so he's under some stress
I tried to read White Cat and it was unreadable to me. I wanted some more opinions to decide if I should give another book of hers a chance. Thanks to you, I've made up my mind.
Luffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 03:51 PM   #10
hildea
Fanatic
hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
hildea's Avatar
 
Posts: 518
Karma: 18636972
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Norway
Device: PocketBook Touch Lux (had a BeBook Neo earlier)
You know, it would have been useful if you had mentioned that you had tried "White Cat", then I wouldn't have wasted both your and my time by quoting from the one book of hers you had already tried.

In case anyone else is considering trying out Holly Black, here's the beginning of "The darkest part of the forest":

Quote:
Originally Posted by The darkest part of the forest
Down a path worn into the woods, past a stream and a hollowed-out log full of pill bugs and termites, was a glass coffin. It rested right on the ground, and in it slept a boy with horns on his head and ears as pointed as knives.

As far as Hazel Evans knew, from what her parents said to her and from what their parents said to them, heíd always been there. And no matter what anyone did, he never, ever woke up.

He didnít wake up during the long summers, when Hazel and her brother, Ben, stretched out on the full length of the coffin, staring down through the crystalline panes, fogging them up with their breath, and scheming glorious schemes. He didnít wake up when tourists came to gape or debunkers came to swear he wasnít real. He didnít wake up on autumn weekends, when girls danced right on top of him, gyrating to the tinny sounds coming from nearby iPod speakers, didnít notice when Leonie Wallace lifted her beer high over her head, as if she were saluting the whole haunted forest. He didnít so much as stir when Benís best friend, Jack Gordon, wrote IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, BREAK GLASS in Sharpie along one sideóor when Lloyd Lindblad took a sledgehammer and actually tried. No matter how many parties had been held around the horned boyógenerations of parties, so that the grass sparkled with decades of broken bottles in green and amber, so that the bushes shone with crushed aluminum cans in silver and gold and rustóand no matter what happened at those parties, nothing could wake the boy inside the glass coffin.

When they were little, Ben and Hazel made him flower crowns and told him stories about how they would rescue him. Back then, they were going to save everyone who needed saving in Fairfold. Once Hazel got older, though, she mostly visited the coffin only at night, in crowds, but she still felt something tighten in her chest when she looked down at the boyís strange and beautiful face.

She hadnít saved him, and she hadnít saved Fairfold, either.
hildea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 03:59 PM   #11
Sirtel
Wizard
Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Sirtel's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,343
Karma: 22038282
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Estonia
Device: Kindle Voyage/Oasis 2/Oasis 3/Nook Glowlight Plus 7.8''/Kobo Libra H2O
I've read "The Cruel Prince". It wasn't bad, but I'm not sure I'll continue with the series. I liked the worldbuilding, but the main character grated on me somewhat.
Sirtel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 04:07 PM   #12
Luffy
Wizard
Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Luffy's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,272
Karma: 415417141
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mauritius
Device: Kindle Paperwhite Manga
Quote:
Originally Posted by hildea View Post
You know, it would have been useful if you had mentioned that you had tried "White Cat", then I wouldn't have wasted both your and my time by quoting from the one book of hers you had already tried.

In case anyone else is considering trying out Holly Black, here's the beginning of "The darkest part of the forest":
I didn't cotton on to the curse workers being what I read. And I didn't read far enough to get to what you quoted. There's no grand conspiracy to make you lose your time. I'm sorry if I was guilty of that.
Luffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2019, 04:28 PM   #13
hildea
Fanatic
hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hildea ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
hildea's Avatar
 
Posts: 518
Karma: 18636972
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Norway
Device: PocketBook Touch Lux (had a BeBook Neo earlier)
Then you gave up before the middle of the first chapter But of course, sometimes a book just doesn't click. I have all sympathy for not wasting time on books which are a bad fit -- I'm getting better at not forcing myself to finish a book I don't enjoy these days.

There has also been at least one time where I hated a book from pretty much the first scene (Terry Hayes: "I am Pilgrim"), but read it all just to be able to describe all the ways I hated it, but that was mostly because it was chosen for a book circle I was part of.

Sorry if I came across as grumpy
hildea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2019, 08:33 AM   #14
Luffy
Wizard
Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Luffy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Luffy's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,272
Karma: 415417141
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mauritius
Device: Kindle Paperwhite Manga
Quote:
Originally Posted by hildea View Post
Then you gave up before the middle of the first chapter But of course, sometimes a book just doesn't click. I have all sympathy for not wasting time on books which are a bad fit -- I'm getting better at not forcing myself to finish a book I don't enjoy these days.

There has also been at least one time where I hated a book from pretty much the first scene (Terry Hayes: "I am Pilgrim"), but read it all just to be able to describe all the ways I hated it, but that was mostly because it was chosen for a book circle I was part of.

Sorry if I came across as grumpy
No harm done. Hey hildea, I too hated I am Pilgrim right from the start. Dnf that one, too.
Luffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2019, 09:11 AM   #15
Pajamaman
Wizard
Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Pajamaman ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Pajamaman's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,540
Karma: 5482672
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Transatlantic
Device: Sony, Nook, Onyx, Boyue, Kindle
I thought the characterization bit up top was very good.
Pajamaman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Holly Lisle dumps iBooks for cause fjtorres News 24 08-06-2012 11:21 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:34 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.