Air travel restrictions

[DMB]

More about the reasons:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ipads-flights/

[issybird]

A little light editing has taken place and one post has been deleted. This is just a gentle reminder to all to keep the discussion to device restrictions and other facts of the matter and not to stray into the area of political opinion. Generally, so far, so good. People are welcome to start a topic in P&R if they'd like to discuss this with fewer restrictions. Thanks!

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by DMB

More about the reasons:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ipads-flights/

I like this sentence:

He added: "We remain open for business. People should continue to fly and comply with security procedures."

Sure people need to keep flying so we can annoy them further! Let them fly for a 10 hour flight without books or even music (if even your phone is too large because you have a 6" phone)!

I already read somewhere you need to be sure your device is charged because they can ask you to turn it on. I still see absolutely no increased security with this measure. Only an increased amount of people who cannot claim a stolen tablet/laptop because it wasn't in the hand luggage...

Originally Posted by issybird

A little light editing has taken place and one post has been deleted. This is just a gentle reminder to all to keep the discussion to device restrictions and other facts of the matter and not to stray into the area of political opinion. Generally, so far, so good. People are welcome to start a topic in P&R if they'd like to discuss this with fewer restrictions. Thanks!

Maybe it's handy if you post somewhere where you can find that forum as I cannot find it at all (not even in a search result). It's been a few years since it was started. I absolutely have no idea where to find it, nor any references on where to search for it.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by DMB

I gave up travelling to the USA some years ago after my husband and I were both separately treated badly by airport security. I don't need to travel there for work reasons any more and so have simply given up recreational travel there.

That's why I won't leave the US. I dread re-entry.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Maybe it's handy if you post somewhere where you can find that forum as I cannot find it at all (not even in a search result). It's been a few years since it was started. I absolutely have no idea where to find it, nor any references on where to search for it.

Politics and Religion Forum

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

That's why I won't leave the US. I dread re-entry.

Yes, that's one thing I noticed, there wasn't a lot of difference between EU citizens and US citizens when we entered the US in Miami. Both groups needed to wait for a long time for exactly the same reasons. Re-entry in LA was a bit different (a lot faster!) as we arrived at a seaport and not an airport

Compared with our return in Amsterdam, we just showed our passport (all EU countries) and were free to go.

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Politics and Religion Forum

Sweetpea, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
1.Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2.If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation

That's why there should be a thread somewhere pointing you to what you need to do...

[issybird]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Maybe it's handy if you post somewhere where you can find that forum as I cannot find it at all (not even in a search result). It's been a few years since it was started. I absolutely have no idea where to find it, nor any references on where to search for it.

You need to opt-in on your Control Panel. Choose "Group Memberships" and add "Hardened Debaters."

[SteveEisenberg]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

This restriction is easily bypassed. All a terrorist would have to do is fly from a restricted airport to an airport that isn't observing these restrictions and then catch a flight to the US or UK with their laptop in the cabin all the way.

That isn't allowed, as I read the planned policies.

If it was, far fewer people would be inconvenienced. Most of the inconvenienced people may be those changing planes in Dubai.

Since the intelligence this is based on is secret, we can't really judge the justification. However, worry about bombs that can't be picked up by metal detectors is legitimate. [....] Having to bring a paper book on a flight is not, for me, the end of the world.

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[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Sure people need to keep flying so we can annoy them further! Let them fly for a 10 hour flight without books or even music (if even your phone is too large because you have a 6" phone)!

If by some miracle I were to fly again, I'd take a paperback, an old-school flip phone, two Sansa Clips (music & audiobooks), and two lipstick batteries. No laptop, no tablet, no ereader, no smartphone, and no checked baggage whatsoever.
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[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by SteveEisenberg

That isn't allowed, as I read the planned policies.

Don't see how they can prevent it.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Don't see how they can prevent it.

What you could do is go from your "bad" airport to, let's say Schiphol. Enter the country (i.e. leave the airport) and have a completely different ticket to your UK or US destination. But that means you need to checkout your suitcase and check it in again. And it's generally a lot more expensive (don't forget you probably also will need a place to stay and some food). That's the only way that might work, that I can see.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

What you could do is go from your "bad" airport to, let's say Schiphol. Enter the country (i.e. leave the airport) and have a completely different ticket to your UK or US destination. But that means you need to checkout your suitcase and check it in again. And it's generally a lot more expensive (don't forget you probably also will need a place to stay and some food). That's the only way that might work, that I can see.

A terrorist plot will have a network, so logistics shouldn't pose a problem.

[pwalker8]

I think the last time I flew somewhere was in the mid 90's. Even pre 2001, it was getting to be a hassle. Right now, there just isn't anywhere I want to go badly enough to put up with all that. I'm certainly not going to get on a plane without my ebook reader/tablet.

[SteveEisenberg]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Don't see how they can prevent it.

They can and, in my international travel experience, sometimes do, force you to go through a security check at your change of planes point, or even at a stop where you don't change planes.

[DMB]

Originally Posted by SteveEisenberg

That isn't allowed, as I read the planned policies.

If it was, far fewer people would be inconvenienced. Most of the inconvenienced people may be those changing planes in Dubai.

Since the intelligence this is based on is secret, we can't really judge the justification. However, worry about bombs that can't be picked up by metal detectors is legitimate. [....] Having to bring a paper book on a flight is not, for me, the end of the world.

[....]

Interestingly there are differences between the American ban and the British ban. USA ban applies to direct flights from Morocco, Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE. These are not included in the British ban but Tunisia is.