Bonus is not a bonus - Page 5

JSWolf · 01-09-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shalym

...and this was my point. If the word "bonus" is so subjective that one person's opinion can turn it from fact to lie, then the word should NEVER be used, because I don't think there will ever be a time that everyone agrees on something.

Shari

I say to call it an excerpt and for other added stuff like an author interview call it added material as it does relate to the book. An extra short story that's part of the same series, that is a bonus.

HarryT · 01-09-2015, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shalym

...and this was my point. If the word "bonus" is so subjective that one person's opinion can turn it from fact to lie, then the word should NEVER be used, because I don't think there will ever be a time that everyone agrees on something.

Shari

I don't that anyone - except Jon - is claiming that it's a lie: a deliberate attempt to mislead.

JSWolf · 01-09-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I don't that anyone - except Jon - is claiming that it's a lie: a deliberate attempt to mislead.

But it is misleading. They claim it is bonus material and then when you get to it, it's just an excerpt. That is not bonus material.

DiapDealer · 01-09-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

That is not bonus material.

IN YOUR OPINION!
Sheesh Jon, why can't you just accept that your OPINION of what constitutes a "bonus" is just that? An opinion. Not fact. In my opinion, an excerpt IS a bonus. So am I now entitled to call you a liar because of my opinion?

Apache · 01-09-2015, 03:03 PM

A bonus is something added to the book that enhances it's value to me. Quotes from newspapers touting the book or others by the author, samples of the author's next book or other material of the like nature is advertising. They might as well start putting cigarette advertising in ebooks. This is my opinion and does not necessarily mean that it is what the majority expect.
Apache

HarryT · 01-09-2015, 03:31 PM

Advertising in books is nothing new. When I was a kid in the late 60s and 70s, most paperback books at the time had a cardboard insert with advertising on it.

pidgeon92 · 01-09-2015, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Advertising in books is nothing new. When I was a kid in the late 60s and 70s, most paperback books at the time had a cardboard insert with advertising on it.

Cigarette ads, no less.

Apache · 01-09-2015, 06:01 PM

Hence my comment about advertising cigarettes.

Apache

Apache · 01-09-2015, 06:02 PM

And the only time I ever defaced books was to rip out those advertisements.
Apache

BWinmill · 01-09-2015, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Sheesh Jon, why can't you just accept that your OPINION of what constitutes a "bonus" is just that? An opinion. Not fact.

While the value of an excerpt is subjective, I will suggest that there are cases when calling it an excerpt a bonus is a misrepresentation. For example: if they claim to add an excerpt as a bonus, there is no misrepresentation. If they claim that there are bonus chapters, and those chapters turn out to be an excerpt, the ambiguity should be sufficient to classify it as misrepresenting promotional material as something that has greater value.

JSWolf · 01-09-2015, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pidgeon92

Cigarette ads, no less.

The maker of Kent cigarettes is being sued because they used asbestos in their filters.

DiapDealer · 01-09-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BWinmill

While the value of an excerpt is subjective, I will suggest that there are cases when calling it an excerpt a bonus is a misrepresentation. For example: if they claim to add an excerpt as a bonus, there is no misrepresentation. If they claim that there are bonus chapters, and those chapters turn out to be an excerpt, the ambiguity should be sufficient to classify it as misrepresenting promotional material as something that has greater value.

I will happily concede that an excerpt from another book being presented as "bonus chapters" could be classified as a misrepresentation. I've also never encountered it to my knowledge.

I'll make my position simple: extra words included that are not part of the book I purchased are bonus material. As are the words on the cereal box, the milk jug, the cream cheese container, the panel-truck outside my window, and the hat the guy diagonally from me is wearing. I may or may not avail myself of every single bonus presented me, but that doesn't make it un-bonus-ey in my eyes.

JSWolf · 01-09-2015, 06:40 PM

A lot of times, if it's a short-story or novella, the excerpt is almost 1/2 the size of the story.

DiapDealer · 01-09-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

A lot of times, if it's a short-story or novella, the excerpt is almost 1/2 the size of the story.

And...?
I'm not really all that price-to-word-count sensitive.

JSWolf · 01-09-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

And...?
I'm not really all that price-to-word-count sensitive.

I've read in a lot of reviews of people thinking they are getting a longer story when a lot of the bulk of the eBook is an excerpt.

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01-09-2015, 03:03 PM	#65
Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,140 Karma: 90000000 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	A bonus is something added to the book that enhances it's value to me. Quotes from newspapers touting the book or others by the author, samples of the author's next book or other material of the like nature is advertising. They might as well start putting cigarette advertising in ebooks. This is my opinion and does not necessarily mean that it is what the majority expect. Apache

01-09-2015, 03:31 PM	#66
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Advertising in books is nothing new. When I was a kid in the late 60s and 70s, most paperback books at the time had a cardboard insert with advertising on it.

01-09-2015, 06:01 PM	#68
Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,140 Karma: 90000000 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	Hence my comment about advertising cigarettes. Apache

01-09-2015, 06:02 PM	#69
Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,140 Karma: 90000000 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	And the only time I ever defaced books was to rip out those advertisements. Apache

01-09-2015, 06:40 PM	#73
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,998 Karma: 128903378 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	A lot of times, if it's a short-story or novella, the excerpt is almost 1/2 the size of the story.

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