WebLaunch - Fullscreen browser for web-applications - Page 6

masterAndrey · 03-30-2017, 09:45 AM

Do you know is it supposed to work with K3?
And is it possible to fix that?

Just now when I click on WebLaunch button in KUAL it just exits from KUAL.
I could check logs but do not know where to find them.

knc1 · 03-30-2017, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterAndrey

Do you know is it supposed to work with K3?
And is it possible to fix that?

Just now when I click on WebLaunch button in KUAL it just exits from KUAL.
I could check logs but do not know where to find them.

Does it ....

Please do the following:
Go to first post, read it.
Ask yourself: "Is a K3 a touchscreen device?"

= = = = =

Can it be ...

Go to first post, read it.
Follow link to source.
Read the README.
Learn that it is a Kindle WAF.

Go to sticky: "Where do I start"
Click.
Scroll down, click: "WAF"
Review information available on "WAF"
Decide if you can make it work on a K3, note that you may have to review the information available on the K3 in the master index also.

= = = =

Translation:
I don't know, but you could find out for yourself as easily as I could.

My WAFG: No.
https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kin...bkit_Subsystem

Edit:
I win, I posted the answer first.
WAF applications depend on system resources first introduced in the series 5.x firmware.
Meaning they can not be supported by the **Kindle** system on earlier than touchscreen devices.

I'll leave the "DIY answer" hints above in this post as an inspiration to others.

lucasmpr · 07-22-2017, 12:48 PM

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And if your problems are web launch related, why are you not posting in that thread?

The reason I didn't posted there before, is that I didn't want to revive a really old topic. Even If I'm trying to make WebLaunch work on 8th gen versions.

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???
Have you looked on your Kindle?
(That is rhetorical, it is evident that you have not.)

Mesquite is still there, that is the windowing system window manager.
It would be sort of hard to get rid of that.

Ah, you meant the directory named mesquite.
You do not mention what firmware version you are looking at, so ....
Looking a 5.8.9.2 system image, it looks like the directory layout has been restructured.
So once you move this discussion to the proper thread ....

For the moment I'm running the 5.8.0 firmware right after Jailbreaking, installed USBNetworking, and tried some LIPC commands.

I don't see any up-to-date resources about WAFs and kindle programming using html/js. That's why I'm wondering if there's a better solution nowadays, and I'm not searching for something that is dead.

Quote:

1) Not packaged for your device.
2) Not written for your device.

Hints:
Did you notice the date tha zip file was uploaded on the download screen?
That is; before the KT2 was in existence.
Since the most recent at that time version did not support the PW-1, don't expect it to support anything more recent.

Although you will note that the sources are posted on BitBucket -
Your welcome to update them and repackage it (use KindleTool to create the package).

Quoting yourself in a post from 2016 where you talked about Komic, that looks like the most advanced WAF application around there, and that I'm assuming don't work anymore on 8-gen.

I'm trying to make an app work that was not packaged nor written for my device.

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WAFs (html5/javascript) should still be working on the Gen-8 devices.
It was the 'Active Documents' (Java) that was dropped.
Which is why you had to install the KUAL booklet rather than the KUAL document. (*)
It will be sort of hard to get rid of booklets - for instance the main (home) page of the Kindle is a booklet.

The WAF part of the Wiki should be updated.
Why don't you add in anything that you find out about the situation on the Gen-8 devices.

Sure, I was thinking about that. I'm just looking for some starting points for my research.

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(*) Please don't say that you are experimenting on a Kindle without the Rescue Pack (and optionally, Cowards Rescue Pack) installed.
Installing RP requires the device being jail broken, which is why I reminded you why you had to install the booklet version of KUAL.

You do realize that the Kindle has to be jail broken to run web launch, don't you?

I was not really worried about bricking my device, as I'm being very careful about what I tell it to do. And I thougth I could always serial unbrick it if needed. I'll proceed to install Rescue Pack

Cinisajoy · 07-22-2017, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucasmpr

The reason I didn't posted there before, is that I didn't want to revive a really old topic. Even If I'm trying to make WebLaunch work on 8th gen versions.

For the moment I'm running the 5.8.0 firmware right after Jailbreaking, installed USBNetworking, and tried some LIPC commands.

I don't see any up-to-date resources about WAFs and kindle programming using html/js. That's why I'm wondering if there's a better solution nowadays, and I'm not searching for something that is dead.

Quoting yourself in a post from 2016 where you talked about Komic, that looks like the most advanced WAF application around there, and that I'm assuming don't work anymore on 8-gen.

I'm trying to make an app work that was not packaged nor written for my device.

Sure, I was thinking about that. I'm just looking for some starting points for my research.

I was not really worried about bricking my device, as I'm being very careful about what I tell it to do. And I thougth I could always serial unbrick it if needed. I'll proceed to install Rescue Pack

Please do install the rescue pack.
There is a good chance an app that isn't designed for your device won't work on your device.
Might I ask what the app you are trying to install is designed for.

lucasmpr · 07-22-2017, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Please do install the rescue pack.
There is a good chance an app that isn't designed for your device won't work on your device.
Might I ask what the app you are trying to install is designed for.

I'm doing so right now.

I just want a full-screen browser. And then prevent the screensaver from happening. Weblaunch seems exactly what I need.

knc1 · 07-22-2017, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lucasmpr

I'm doing so right now.

I just want a full-screen browser. And then prevent the screensaver from happening. Weblaunch seems exactly what I need.

No, not if you want to inter-actively "browse" - it does not display an address bar.
If all you want is the ability to display a single page, full-screen this is it.

It is a WAF, not a re-purpose of the "Experimental Browser".

Now that we know you are working with a KT3 -
Would you share what firmware version you want this to work with?
(Yes, as you can see from the directory tree, that will make a difference also.)

lucasmpr · 07-22-2017, 03:33 PM

I dont want to browse, I want to use my kindle as a wall dashboard with information that gets updated by ajax (or websockets if its supported, I dont think so) from time to time. Maybe do a full screen refresh from time to time (In my experimental browser experience when the information changes we get artifacts sometimes).

I'm actually on 5.8.0. I don't think I need any features from anything above that. If I'm having the work of rewriting it. Its best to make this work on the newer version 5.9.2, as it will be more future-proof.

Cinisajoy · 07-22-2017, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucasmpr

I dont want to browse, I want to use my kindle as a wall dashboard with information that gets updated by ajax (or websockets if its supported, I dont think so) from time to time. Maybe do a full screen refresh from time to time (In my experimental browser experience when the information changes we get artifacts sometimes).

I'm actually on 5.8.0. I don't think I need any features from anything above that. If I'm having the work of rewriting it. Its best to make this work on the newer version 5.9.2, as it will be more future-proof.

Good luck.

knc1 · 07-22-2017, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucasmpr

I dont want to browse,
- - - -
Its best to make this work on the newer version 5.9.2, as it will be more future-proof.

Well that is what you wrote at first, so I had to be sure that you only mis-wrote.

You must have an "in" with Amazon/Lab126 if you have a copy of 5.9.2 for your KT3.
I would like to have a copy, even if it is only a 'preview' build.

The most recent KT3 firmware now released from Amazon is 5.8.10.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=202065490

lucasmpr · 07-22-2017, 05:53 PM

Oh, okay, my mistake. I made some assumptions that I shouldn't have.

I got a KT2 with 5.9.2, then I got the idea to make this project happen. Discovered they removed the ~ds command so I couldn't make the screen stay on all the time. As there's no jailbreak for the moment, I didn't see a way of making my dashboard with this.

So I recently bought a KT3. I was thrilled to see it was in 5.8.1, so I did the jailbreak as fast as I could, hoping that v. 5.9.2 wouldn't be auto-updated to my device and ruin my project. I'm sorry I don't have the preview version. I didn't knew that each device had its own update schedule. (That's why I'm searching for 5.9.2 image on amazon and I can't find it)

I think I'm going for 5.8.0 then (KT3 factory?), and I'll block OTA's so it dont get updated.

You got any advices on how to start porting it?

When I try to run WebPack I got the message "The application cannot be started" (Which I find normal as its made for an older version and not updated for the last 4 years). Do you know if there's any kind of log that may hint where's the problem?

I was thinking about comparing Kindle.js / Logging.js and all other imports from 4 years (probably factory KT) hoping to find some different classes / function names that got changed by the years.

The another way of proceeding, would be to trying to build a "sample WAF project" and add the functions one by one until I can find the one that made this break.

If you have any insights I would be grateful

knc1 · 07-22-2017, 06:04 PM

DO NOT run the factory-use-only firmware build after you finish jail breaking.
It was never intended to be used 'in the field' by customers.

Install one of the versions of customer firmware builds.

See: Current jail break, step #7, open spoiler.
All of those could be jailbroken again if something went wrong during your testing.
There are new firmware versions than those I list.
But there has never yet been a 5.9.<anything> for the e-ink Kindles.
5.8.9.0.2 was the previous 'current' firmware and I think your '.8' pair of keys is not working.

Those version numbers use periods as field separators, not as decimal points, it isn't a floating point number. (Amazon is the only people I can think of that uses five fields. The rest of the world gets along with only three.)

lucasmpr · 07-22-2017, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knc1

DO NOT run the factory-use-only firmware build after you finish jail breaking.
It was never intended to be used 'in the field' by customers.

Install one of the versions of customer firmware builds.

See: Current jail break, step #7, open spoiler.
All of those could be jailbroken again if something went wrong during your testing.
There are new firmware versions than those I list.
But there has never yet been a 5.9.<anything> for the e-ink Kindles.
5.8.9.0.2 was the previous 'current' firmware and I think your '.8' pair of keys is not working.

Those version numbers use periods as field separators, not as decimal points, it isn't a floating point number. (Amazon is the only people I can think of that uses five fields. The rest of the world gets along with only three.)

Okay, I'll do it, It's really annoying, I'm messing up the digits.

I'm going for 5.8.7.0.1. Just finished installing everything again

Now some logs. Did an ;dm and I'm trying to make sense of the parts with WebLaunch.

Spoiler:

If I'm right, it seems the app is killed here:

170722:202815 mesquite[7741]: E com.PaulFreund.WebLaunch:JunoApplicationManager::h andleLifeCycleTransitions:Failed to complete a lifecycle transition. Lifecycle hook returned false. propertyName=go,responseProperty=goresult:
170722:202815 cvm[6086]: I StatusBarController:Information::reverting to cached app state in statusbar
170722:202815 winmgr[5254]: I WindowManager:handleAppLaunchFail:unpause display and clear timeouts:
170722:202815 mesquite[7741]: I def:mesquite:main:exiting mesquite main

Ok, managed to find some interesting things.

There's two WAF's js systems. wafjs and the newer kindle.js.

Looks like the registration of the commands where outdated, now they need a file:// to start an mesquite application.

I'm creating a barebone app and I'll add the functionalities that I need

hixair · 08-02-2017, 08:20 AM

I am really interested about your findings, i came to this forum as i get the same error message when i try to launch the extension.
I hope you'll be able to sort it out !

lucasmpr · 08-04-2017, 09:46 AM

Yeah I managed to make it work to some extent.

Enough for what I'm making.

I couldn't make the statusbar go away, and for the moment there's no way to leave the application.
(except connecting by ssh and typing the commands.

I didn't put the prevent screen saver feature either, its really a barebone for the moment.

hixair · 08-14-2017, 05:50 AM

Nice to know that you were able to look into it !
Thanks for the Update !

03-30-2017, 09:45 AM	#76
masterAndrey Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2017 Device: kindle keyboard	Kindle 3 (no touch, with keyboard) Do you know is it supposed to work with K3? And is it possible to fix that? Just now when I click on WebLaunch button in KUAL it just exits from KUAL. I could check logs but do not know where to find them.

07-22-2017, 05:53 PM	#85
lucasmpr Enthusiast Posts: 45 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2017 Device: Kindle	Oh, okay, my mistake. I made some assumptions that I shouldn't have. I got a KT2 with 5.9.2, then I got the idea to make this project happen. Discovered they removed the ~ds command so I couldn't make the screen stay on all the time. As there's no jailbreak for the moment, I didn't see a way of making my dashboard with this. So I recently bought a KT3. I was thrilled to see it was in 5.8.1, so I did the jailbreak as fast as I could, hoping that v. 5.9.2 wouldn't be auto-updated to my device and ruin my project. I'm sorry I don't have the preview version. I didn't knew that each device had its own update schedule. (That's why I'm searching for 5.9.2 image on amazon and I can't find it) I think I'm going for 5.8.0 then (KT3 factory?), and I'll block OTA's so it dont get updated. You got any advices on how to start porting it? When I try to run WebPack I got the message "The application cannot be started" (Which I find normal as its made for an older version and not updated for the last 4 years). Do you know if there's any kind of log that may hint where's the problem? I was thinking about comparing Kindle.js / Logging.js and all other imports from 4 years (probably factory KT) hoping to find some different classes / function names that got changed by the years. The another way of proceeding, would be to trying to build a "sample WAF project" and add the functions one by one until I can find the one that made this break. If you have any insights I would be grateful Last edited by lucasmpr; 07-22-2017 at 05:59 PM.

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07-22-2017, 03:33 PM	#82
lucasmpr Enthusiast Posts: 45 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2017 Device: Kindle	I dont want to browse, I want to use my kindle as a wall dashboard with information that gets updated by ajax (or websockets if its supported, I dont think so) from time to time. Maybe do a full screen refresh from time to time (In my experimental browser experience when the information changes we get artifacts sometimes). I'm actually on 5.8.0. I don't think I need any features from anything above that. If I'm having the work of rewriting it. Its best to make this work on the newer version 5.9.2, as it will be more future-proof.

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knc1 Going Viral Posts: 17,212 Karma: 18210809 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Central Texas Device: No K1, PW2, KV, KOA	DO NOT run the factory-use-only firmware build after you finish jail breaking. It was never intended to be used 'in the field' by customers. Install one of the versions of customer firmware builds. See: Current jail break, step #7, open spoiler. All of those could be jailbroken again if something went wrong during your testing. There are new firmware versions than those I list. But there has never yet been a 5.9.<anything> for the e-ink Kindles. 5.8.9.0.2 was the previous 'current' firmware and I think your '.8' pair of keys is not working. Those version numbers use periods as field separators, not as decimal points, it isn't a floating point number. (Amazon is the only people I can think of that uses five fields. The rest of the world gets along with only three.)

08-02-2017, 08:20 AM	#88
hixair Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2017 Device: kindle touch	I am really interested about your findings, i came to this forum as i get the same error message when i try to launch the extension. I hope you'll be able to sort it out !

08-04-2017, 09:46 AM	#89
lucasmpr Enthusiast Posts: 45 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2017 Device: Kindle	Yeah I managed to make it work to some extent. Enough for what I'm making. I couldn't make the statusbar go away, and for the moment there's no way to leave the application. (except connecting by ssh and typing the commands. I didn't put the prevent screen saver feature either, its really a barebone for the moment.

08-14-2017, 05:50 AM	#90
hixair Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2017 Device: kindle touch	Nice to know that you were able to look into it ! Thanks for the Update !