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Old 08-03-2011, 04:00 PM   #16
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Plus it's much easier to edit a ePub file. You just need unzip and any text editor.
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:27 AM   #17
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i also find epubs to be smaller file sizes than their mobi counterparts (same book of course).
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:30 AM   #18
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i also find epubs to be smaller file sizes than their mobi counterparts (same book of course).
Interesting - I've usually found it to be the other way round ePub > mobi/prc ...

mobi supports dictionary lookup, whilst last I saw ePub didn't....
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:37 AM   #19
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ePub supports drop caps, embedded fonts and pictures with text that flow around them, to name but a few.
And yet the exact same epub code to create those few whistles and bells renders differently (if at all) on different platforms. I'm not pimping one format over the other, I'm just pointing out that ePub isn't the ebook savior that everyone wants to think it is. They still haven't got everybody to abide by the current ePub standards, yet they think it's a good idea to introduce ePub3?

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Old 08-06-2011, 11:58 AM   #20
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Agree. But I will mention that many eBook reader devices use ADE (Adobe Digital Editions) as their rendering engine. Adobe charges for that priviledge, and it kind of makes "open source" not so open. I hope Amazon does switch to ePub, but I also hope they continue to tell Adobe to buzz off and take their bloatware with them.

@max99, The ePub format is more versatile and certainly renders better in some cases. Even though ePub is used my almost all the reader manufacturers and stores other than Amazon, Amazon still sells appx. 67% of the eBooks in the USA market. You don't have to be a math wizard to see that that means more books are sold in mobi (or Amazon's version of mobi) than in ePub in the USA market. (I'm not sure about the world-wide market. I suspect ePub does much better there.)
Given that Amazon doesn't release sales figures, that 67% is a guess. Please stop posting numbers that mean little to nothing because they are based on a guess.
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but pidgeon92, if we don't argue about ebook formats, what WILL we argue about?
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Mobi is based on HTML3, whereas ePub is based on HTML4, which supports CSS, so allows for richer formatting. Among other features, ePub supports drop caps, embedded fonts and pictures with text that flow around them, to name but a few.
As well at true blockquotes where you also get a right margin.
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i also find epubs to be smaller file sizes than their mobi counterparts (same book of course).
Unless the ePub has embedded fonts which Mobipocket does not support.
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:26 PM   #24
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And yet the exact same epub code to create those few whistles and bells renders differently (if at all) on different platforms. I'm not pimping one format over the other, I'm just pointing out that ePub isn't the ebook savior that everyone wants to think it is. They still haven't got everybody to abide by the current ePub standards, yet they think it's a good idea to introduce ePub3?
What programs on what platforms work differently?
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I'll give you a hint. It's a platform that millions of people seem to love, yet you tend to dismiss as unworthy. As much as you might wish it were, the ePub world is still not ADE-only yet... and the exact same epub code will render differently on non-ADE engines than it does on ADE engines.
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I'll give you a hint. It's a platform that millions of people seem to love, yet you tend to dismiss as unworthy. As much as you might wish it were, the ePub world is still not ADE-only yet... and the exact same epub code will render differently on non-ADE engines than it does on ADE engines.
Do you think it's the fault of the ADE engines or the non-ADE engines?

For OSX, ADE is available. It's Linux that doesn't have a native ADE. What programs are available for Linux to view ePub?
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Do you think it's the fault of the ADE engines or the non-ADE engines?
Who cares?! ADE and Non-ADE ereader designer/programmers both tend to interpret the vague wording of much of the ePub spec to suit their own needs. My point is that different programs/devices view the same code differently.

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For OSX, ADE is available. It's Linux that doesn't have a native ADE. What programs are available for Linux to view ePub?
You think your beloved Sony runs Windows or OSX under the hood?

Again, you're missing my point, but to name a few just in case you were seriously wondering; calibre, FBReader and EPUBReader.

(and you only have two more guesses, because Linux ain't what I was hinting at)
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Do you think it's the fault of the ADE engines or the non-ADE engines?

For OSX, ADE is available. It's Linux that doesn't have a native ADE. What programs are available for Linux to view ePub?
For me, the big ones are fbreader, calibre, ocular, and of course the firefox plugin. There are probably others, but I'm CRS challenged.

Don't know of any that use the ADE engine. Don't know if ADE runs under wine.
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For me, the big ones are fbreader, calibre, ocular, and of course the firefox plugin. There are probably others, but I'm CRS challenged.

Don't know of any that use the ADE engine. Don't know if ADE runs under wine.
We know that there are problems with FBReader and CSS. I've not tried Ocular or the Firefox plugin. I have used Firefox to view the XML files and that's not 100% compatible with ADE. But it is close enough for making edits to the ePub. I've not really used Calibre's eBook viewer often enough to know what sort of differences there may be.
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