Aura HD Automatic hyphenation in epubs?

arspr · 10-31-2013, 05:06 PM

Hello I am completely newbie to Kobo world and while playing about this bug (1st post & 2nd post) I've just noticed that within epub renderer (but not in kepub renderer), I'm getting automatic hyphenation.

I'm not mad, am I?

Is it possible to disable this "intelligent" (and, of course, not asked for) "feature" in any way?

Sorry if this issue has been asked before, but I hasn't been able to find anything about it? (Just info about improved hyphenation dictionaries)

robko · 10-31-2013, 06:24 PM

You might want to wait for better suggestions in case this causes you to have to factory reset, but maybe try making a backup of the hyphenation dictionary then deleting it (back it up in case this doesn't work). Alternatively if you put a "dummy" empty hyphenation dictionary in might also work. There are no stock functions for turning hyphenation on/off.

arspr · 11-01-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robko

You might want to wait for better suggestions in case this causes you to have to factory reset, but maybe try making a backup of the hyphenation dictionary then deleting it (back it up in case this doesn't work). Alternatively if you put a "dummy" empty hyphenation dictionary in might also work. There are no stock functions for turning hyphenation on/off.

Thanks for your reply.

Where is that hyphenation dictionary located? Is it the same as the normal dictionary?

More over. Calibre KoboTouchExtended driver has an option for hyphenating or not but in kepubs. Do you know why kepubs are not hyphenated by default but epubs are?

Peakcrew · 11-01-2013, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arspr

Thanks for your reply.

Where is that hyphenation dictionary located? Is it the same as the normal dictionary?

More over. Calibre KoboTouchExtended driver has an option for hyphenating or not but in kepubs. Do you know why kepubs are not hyphenated by default but epubs are?

I had this problem on the Touch (I think, though it may have been the JetBook before). Auto-hyphenation was driving me mad! I think the answer was to use Calibre to change settings (I can't quite remember how - somewhere in the options there is a switch, as I recall). However, I'm sure the information is out there on the intertubes.

I also seem to recall that converting the books to kepub.epub worked (I think it forces use of the kepub engine), but I've never tried that.

arspr · 11-02-2013, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Peakcrew

I also seem to recall that converting the books to kepub.epub worked (I think it forces use of the kepub engine), but I've never tried that.

Yep, that's what I previously tried to explain.

I haven't yet spent a lot of time with the Aura HD but I haven't seen a single hyphen in either official kepubs (I have some English ebooks which I have quickly browsed through) or "kepubized" epubs through KoboTouchExtended Calibre driver (where there's an explicit option to enable hyphens if you prefer).

I hate hyphens but I'm currently reading a Spanish book and because of the bug with dashes (you can go to the Bug Thread through the links in my first post), I still prefer epub renderer... but by a really small margin over kepub when I consider pros and cons of both options:

EPUB. Undesired: hyphens and white-space:nowrap bug. On the bright side: there's no header.
KEPUB. The extremely horrible dash bug although I have no hyphens and white-space:nowrap works as it should. And it also seems that the long paragraph bug is gone (this one was present in my PRS-650 too, so I suppose it's a fully Adobe issue).

Peakcrew · 11-02-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arspr

Yep, that's what I previously tried to explain.

I haven't yet spent a lot of time with the Aura HD but I haven't seen a single hyphen in either official kepubs (I have some English ebooks which I have quickly browsed through) or "kepubized" epubs through KoboTouchExtended Calibre driver (where there's an explicit option to enable hyphens if you prefer).

I hate hyphens but I'm currently reading a Spanish book and because of the bug with dashes (you can go to the Bug Thread through the links in my first post), I still prefer epub renderer... but by a really small margin over kepub when I consider pros and cons of both options:

EPUB. Undesired: hyphens and white-space:nowrap bug. On the bright side: there's no header.
KEPUB. The extremely horrible dash bug although I have no hyphens and white-space:nowrap works as it should. And it also seems that the long paragraph bug is gone (this one was present in my PRS-650 too, so I suppose it's a fully Adobe issue).

I'm trying to remember what I did to stop it. All my books are sideloaded epubs (I don't use any other format), some of which started life as Kindle format, and I don't have any difficulty with unwanted hyphenation now. Unless I was lucky with my semi-random messing with settings, I must have found the answer on the internet (probably these forums), but I can't find it now. I'll keep looking.

Peakcrew · 11-02-2013, 11:10 AM

Whilst this isn't what I did, Google found me this https://github.com/jgoguen/calibre-kobo-driver - what seems to be the latest Kobo driver for Calibre. Scrolling some way down the page shows a way to improve the hyphenation dictionary by using the OpenOffice version.

davidfor · 11-02-2013, 08:25 PM

Have you tried changing the reading to not be justified? I use left as I don't think the automatic renderers get the spacing correct and this reduces the number of split words.

The other thing is that there is a CSS option for hyphenation. But, I don't know the epub reader respects it. I feel like there has been discussion of it here, but I'm not sure.

arspr · 11-03-2013, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by davidfor

Have you tried changing the reading to not be justified? I use left as I don't think the automatic renderers get the spacing correct and this reduces the number of split words.

Nope, I leave Kobo interface option in off and more over I always edit my epubs adding {text-align:justify} if they happen to be without full justification (I hate left alignment...).

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

The other thing is that there is a CSS option for hyphenation. But, I don't know the epub reader respects it. I feel like there has been discussion of it here, but I'm not sure.

Good hint!!!

I've searched a bit and CSS3 has hyphens property: Here you have an example link to its explanation.

I'll test ASAP if it works within epubs (I'm not currently at home). Epubs are CSS2 but I feel that there won't probably be any trouble adding some kind of CSS3 properties...

More over I'm reading this thread Loading a custom CSS on kepub opening where there's a lot of interesting info. And also about your driver for Calibre and how it can automatically add CSS styles to the uploaded epubs.

I feel I'm on the right track. And more over I also have a feeling that the white-space:nowrap; issue is also going to be fixed when hyphenation is disabled (I mean I feel that epub render is considering dashes as wraping points because hyphenation is active, even with greater priority than the span style setting).

I'll post my conclusions ASAP.

arspr · 11-04-2013, 05:12 PM

Got it. Thanks to this thread More Hyphenation After 1.2 Update?

In epub renderer (RMSDK), the hyphenation is controlled through adobe-hyphenate property. So, if you add/modify the CSS inside the ebook with:

Code:

body { adobe-hyphenate: none; }

hyphenation is killed.

Nevertheless, the "bug" with white-span: nowrap is still active. I sadly made a bad guess... (I'll continue investigating but in the Bug Thread).

I want to thank every one of you (davidfor, Peakcrew and robko) for the hints you've given me.

PD. hyphens, -webkit-hyphens, or even -adobe-hyphenate or other similar properties DON'T seem to work in RMSDK. The correct one is just adobe-hyphenate.

PDD. The full options for adobe-hyphenate seem to be: none | explicit | auto (see this post) but the author doesn't explicit what each of them does. I suppose explicit only breaks words on shy;* but I haven't tested.

Peakcrew · 11-04-2013, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arspr

Got it. Thanks to this thread More Hyphenation After 1.2 Update?

In epub renderer (RMSDK), the hyphenation is controlled through adobe-hyphenate property. So, if you add/modify the CSS inside the ebook with:

Code:

body { adobe-hyphenate: none; }

hyphenation is killed.

Nevertheless, the "bug" with white-span: nowrap is still active. I sadly made a bad guess... (I'll continue investigating but in the Bug Thread).

I want to thank every one of you (davidfor, Peakcrew and robko) for the hints you've given me.

PD. hyphens, -webkit-hyphens, or even -adobe-hyphenate or other similar properties DON'T seem to work in RMSDK. The correct one is just adobe-hyphenate.

PDD. The full options for adobe-hyphenate seem to be: none | explicit | auto (see this post) but the author doesn't explicit what each of them does. I suppose explicit only breaks words on shy;* but I haven't tested.

Thanks for that. It is so good when people explain how they solved things. What you have written is not entirely unfamiliar, so I must have read something about it when I was having the same frustration...

icallaci · 11-04-2013, 11:15 PM

Does anyone know if I can add "adobe-hyphenate: none;" to the kobo_extra.css file to kill hyphenation? I use kobo_extra.css to kill widows and orphans, and it works like a charm. I'd love to get rid of hyphens too.

[QUOTE=arspr;2676227]

Got it. Thanks to this thread More Hyphenation After 1.2 Update?

In epub renderer (RMSDK), the hyphenation is controlled through adobe-hyphenate property. So, if you add/modify the CSS inside the ebook with:

Code:

body { adobe-hyphenate: none; }

hyphenation is killed.

QUOTE]

davidfor · 11-05-2013, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icallaci

Does anyone know if I can add "adobe-hyphenate: none;" to the kobo_extra.css file to kill hyphenation? I use kobo_extra.css to kill widows and orphans, and it works like a charm. I'd love to get rid of hyphens too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arspr

Code:

body { adobe-hyphenate: none; }

hyphenation is killed.

Yes, it should work. And this is exactly the sort of thing that file and driver option were intended for.

icallaci · 11-05-2013, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

Yes, it should work. And this is exactly the sort of thing that file and driver option were intended for.

Perfect. Thanks.

graycyn · 11-17-2013, 01:15 PM

Thanks for the info! Now I'll know how to kill it when I want to proofread something.

10-31-2013, 05:06 PM	#1
arspr Dead account. Bye Posts: 587 Karma: 668244 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: none	Automatic hyphenation in epubs? Hello I am completely newbie to Kobo world and while playing about this bug (1st post & 2nd post) I've just noticed that within epub renderer (*but not in kepub renderer*), I'm getting automatic hyphenation. I'm not mad, am I? Is it possible to disable this "intelligent" (and, of course, not asked for) "feature" in any way? Sorry if this issue has been asked before, but I hasn't been able to find anything about it? (Just info about improved hyphenation dictionaries)

11-04-2013, 05:12 PM	#10
arspr Dead account. Bye Posts: 587 Karma: 668244 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: none	Got it. Thanks to this thread More Hyphenation After 1.2 Update? In epub renderer (RMSDK), the hyphenation is controlled through adobe-hyphenate property. So, if you add/modify the CSS inside the ebook with: Code: body { adobe-hyphenate: none; } hyphenation is killed. Nevertheless, the "bug" with white-span: nowrap is still active. I sadly made a bad guess... (I'll continue investigating but in the Bug Thread). I want to thank every one of you (davidfor, Peakcrew and robko) for the hints you've given me. PD. hyphens, -webkit-hyphens, or even -adobe-hyphenate or other similar properties DON'T seem to work in RMSDK. The correct one is just adobe-hyphenate. PDD. The full options for adobe-hyphenate seem to be: none \| explicit \| auto (see this post) but the author doesn't explicit what each of them does. I suppose explicit only breaks words on shy;* but I haven't tested.

11-04-2013, 11:15 PM	#12
icallaci Guru Posts: 766 Karma: 6528026 Join Date: Sep 2012 Device: Kobo Elipsa	Does anyone know if I can add "adobe-hyphenate: none;" to the kobo_extra.css file to kill hyphenation? I use kobo_extra.css to kill widows and orphans, and it works like a charm. I'd love to get rid of hyphens too. [QUOTE=arspr;2676227] Got it. Thanks to this thread More Hyphenation After 1.2 Update? In epub renderer (RMSDK), the hyphenation is controlled through adobe-hyphenate property. So, if you add/modify the CSS inside the ebook with: Code: body { adobe-hyphenate: none; } hyphenation is killed. QUOTE]

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robko Wizard Posts: 2,454 Karma: 5469320 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Kobo	You might want to wait for better suggestions in case this causes you to have to factory reset, but maybe try making a backup of the hyphenation dictionary then deleting it (back it up in case this doesn't work). Alternatively if you put a "dummy" empty hyphenation dictionary in might also work. There are no stock functions for turning hyphenation on/off.

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Peakcrew Avid reader of sci-fi Posts: 384 Karma: 36724 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Scotland Device: Kobo Touch, Lenovo X61, Samsung Galaxy Note with Aldiko reader app	Whilst this isn't what I did, Google found me this https://github.com/jgoguen/calibre-kobo-driver - what seems to be the latest Kobo driver for Calibre. Scrolling some way down the page shows a way to improve the hyphenation dictionary by using the OpenOffice version.

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graycyn Wizard Posts: 1,494 Karma: 11250344 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NE Oregon Device: Kobo Sage, Forma, Kindle Oasis 2, Sony PRS-T2	Thanks for the info! Now I'll know how to kill it when I want to proofread something.