08-21-2009, 01:13 PM | #16 |
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08-21-2009, 01:20 PM | #17 |
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guys I don't think it's acceptable for anyone and most especially adults to tease people about their weight, or use over weight people as the butt of all jokes. And it's certainly not acceptable to make fun of an entire group of people on giant billboards. Maybe I'm too PC but I can already see the outcry if they replaced the fat woman in the picture with a black person...How would people react then?
Sorry, as a human being I can't tolerate that kind of behavior. It's not acceptable and I don't care if someone thinks that "fat" people need to exercise more. Even if it is the person's fault for being overweight it's still not right to make jokes about it because it's not funny. You don't know when you make jokes if the person is overweight due to life style choices or medical reasons like having asthma and needing to take steriods to help which does cause weight gain. And still even if every overweight person on the planet got there through their own efforts it still wouldn't be right. hate to say it but in America the food poor people can afford is VERY fattening, to buy fresh fruit and vegetables (which I've never seen coupons for) costs an arm and a leg. There are hardly any bike/walk paths in most major cities past the Mississippi River, gyms are incredibly expensive too, and after working 40-60 hours a week sometimes you just want to go home and relax! If health care and keeping people fit was truly important cities would have built their cities up instead out of out so people could walk to work or take a subway. And the work weeks would be shorter so people have more time to be with their families and be active. Basically, based on all these factors I'm shocked that other people are shocked that as a nation the United States has gained a lot of weight. Last edited by Amalthia; 08-21-2009 at 01:23 PM. |
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What I find insulting is why would a smart intellegent empowered woman be shacked up with a moron??? I mean what does that say about how they think of women too??? |
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08-21-2009, 01:32 PM | #19 |
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I wasn't as concerned with the PETA advert as I was with the notion that it is okay to poke fun or be abusive towards overweight people. Obviously by my posting in the first place, I belong in the overweight category. Obesity is not a choice. One of the biggest misconceptions, in my opinion, is that overweight people are that way because they have no self-control or our lazy. There are any number of factors that add to weight gain, both physical and emotional. I agree that being obese is not the same as skin color, however, (and I'm not one of them) some people believe that sexual orientation is a choice. Whatever you believe, using a stereotypical group of people, any group of people, as the brunt of a joke is offensive. I am of the belief that people are entitled to their opinions and to make their own life choices, even PETA has the right to make the comments that they have. I just wonder why the PC police doesn't find it offensive when a section of our population is singled out for abuse. |
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Take in more calories than you expend = weight gain Expend more calories than you eat = weight loss and eating more than you need to is a matter of self-control. I am trying to lose weight, and finding it damned hard. Why? Because I lack self-control and find it extraordinarily difficult not to eat the things which I love and which are really bad for me. I'm not going to make excuses and say "it's not my fault" and "I don't have a choice". It is my fault. I got fat because I ate too much and didn't take enough exercise. I'm not going to make fun of anyone for being too fat, but equally I'm not going to make excuses for anyone (other than the tiny, tiny minority who genuinely have a medical condition which means that they can't control their weight). |
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Not a conscious one; but perhaps it is not as much as choice as it is a result of choices. I do not think I agree with you here.
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First, I agree with you that it isn't acceptable to make fun of others. For any reason. At the same time, I don't think it's fair for overweight people to feel victimized. Except for some infrequent medical issues, it's simple: if you take in more calories than you burn up, you gain weight. Why is that "rarely a choice"? I wrote a diet book, but couldn't get any publishers interested. They said my book didn't have a good angle. So now I'm self-publishing. Here's the book in its entirety: eat less, excercise more. It's easy to gain weight and hard to lose it. Why? Because if you add 100 extra calories a day to your diet, you won't even notice it. But you'll put on about an extra pound per month. But if you try to eat 100 calories a day less than you need in order to lose weight, you'll be hungry. And people really really don't like to go around hungry! Quote:
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08-21-2009, 04:08 PM | #26 |
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I'm fat and offended.
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For the record, I don't feel victimized. I am comfortable in my skin and don't really care what people think about my appearance. But I know there are others who do care and I just wish people were a little more compassionate. |
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Secondly, I do agree that it is *not* ok to rip on obesity and obese people. It's not kind. However (and I guess this is my BIG third), I do fully agree with Harry here- it is, imho- a choice for the vast majority of people. yes, I agree there might be emotional aspects to it, psychological, physical, etc. But actual obesity is almost always avoidable or "fixable." High costs of healthy foods doesn't make it easy, but walking is free. After having my 3 kids in 3 years, I tipped the scales onto obesity. I worked my way back to healthy weight. I had a lot of misconceptions about what I could and couldn't do, but turns out, I was fooling myself. It was hard work and discipline, but I won't pretend it was the hardest thing I've ever done. I fully admit that my losing those 60 lb was mostly likely much easier for me than it would have been for some other people, but also harder for me than it would have been for other people. In other words, I had to work my tail off like anyone else would, but I didn't have that emotional overeating baggage built up over years that some have. What I really don't like to see is the general idea that obesity is "ok." It's not; it does drain the healthcare system, it does cause health problems for those who are obese, and it creates emotional trauma as well. Even people who don't get made fun of for size often still don't feel good about themselves. It's to do with self-perception as well as the perception of others. It doesn't feel good to be short of breath, carrying extra weight, and not fitting into clothes well, regardless of how kindly people look upon you. it doesn't feel good because it's not the way we were intended to live. When you look at normal distribution (bell curve) of natural human qualities, you'd be looking at a rate of maybe 5% of people in the obese or morbidly obese category. So why do we have a range amongst the states of 20-33% obsesity? Because it's no longer a normal distribution. There are too many people in the obese category that shouldn't be there, by nature. They are there by choice (choices that have been made). And I don't agree with that crap about people suing McD's or whatever for making them fat. We all make choices. As limited as some people's chocies may be (for economic reasons or whatever), there are still choices. When I go to McD's, I have chosen to. I won't pretend that it's easy to make good choices in this day and age. Often, the junk food is cheaper, it's more easily accessible for people living in a very busy society, eating is very social, eating is comforting, portion sizes are bigger than necessary, and we keep telling outselves it's ok to be all shapes and sizes. But when people say that, they are usually saying it's ok to be fat. I agree, people come in all shapes and sizes (I'd love to change some things about my shape, as a matter of fact! ), but, just by natural distribution, 95% of us were not meant to come in the extra-large size. Kaz, I do love you so, but I also feel passionately about this, and wanted to share my perspective. (and I see we posted at exactly the same moment... it took me a while to come up with my dissertation here In fact, you probably made all those posts above me while I was still working on this one) Last edited by GraceKrispy; 08-21-2009 at 04:13 PM. Reason: just because |
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08-21-2009, 05:36 PM | #30 |
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Here's my oddball take on why everyone is nasty to obese people...
Because it's a visual reminder of the lack of control almost everyone has over some area of their life, be it eating, alcohol, drugs, anger, gambling, spending... And it's hard to ignore. And something inside us feels the guilt when we see evidence of someone else's lack of control, and we snark. |
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