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I wonder if that document I found (there was no indication of where it was from, by the way) indicates that it had been the norm for foreign titles to continue to be used even when the individual was resident in England. I see this decision that it should stop as part of the changing times after the Great War.
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Given that Armand was questioning Marguerite just before he set sail for France, he may not have realised until then that there was an estrangement between Percy and Marguerite, and that the supposed betrayal was the reason. Last edited by Bookpossum; 12-20-2018 at 06:56 PM. |
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OK. That's plausible. And it was his first visit. Still, while Orczy said (in Marguerite's mind) that Percy and Armand were close, and also noted that both had secrets, Armand's internal thought that Marguerite "might have set her affections on a fool," is problematic, given that Armand was working for the League. Could he have been recruited by a lower-down and not know that Percy was the big cheese? I suppose that's plausible, too, and even makes sense in the same manner that subversive political cells limit contacts. You can't betray someone you don't know.
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On the topic of Orczy and the Great War, I remember years ago coming across a reference to her own brand of patriotism. She founded an organization called the "Women of England's Active Service League," wherein the members formally vowed, "At this hour of England's grave peril and desperate need I do hereby pledge myself most solemnly in the name of my King and Country to persuade every man I know to offer his services to the country, and I also pledge myself never to be seen in public with any man who, being in every way fit and free for service, has refused to respond to his country's call." Totally absurd, but it attests to the slow end of the attitudes she promulgated in her books. As I recall, her "League" (and that's just embarrassing, under the circs) was undersubscribed. |
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So he could well be unaware that Percy was the Scarlet Pimpernel, if he had been recruited by one of the lieutenants, as it were. There seemed to be little secret about who some of the League members were; the big secret was the identity of the Pimpernel himself. That would make sense in terms of testing Armand's trustworthiness. |
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I became less certain that Armand didn't know with the intrigue surrounding the incriminating note. However the exact contents of that are not revealed, as far as memory and quick scan can verify, so it remains feasible that the note was not explicit regarding Armand having met the Pimpernel in person, although I am at a loss to think of what he needed to say in a note that he could not have said in person before he left. |
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Perhaps they wrote notes to each other because that was safer than meeting up and possibly being seen. The real problem was in not immediately destroying any correspondence, but without that, there wouldn't be anything to hold over Marguerite to get her co-operation.
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Perhaps the point of notes (aside from being a plot device) was so as not to be overheard?
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And/or perhaps the point of notes as a plot device is that it worked well on stage?
I seem to keep coming back to the thought of how much this book felt like a stage play. (Is that the rustle of changing scenery I hear as I turn the page to a new chapter? ) I wonder how many of its shortcomings might relate to translation from its origins - reading on to the subsequent books might reveal more. |
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Probably the closest we can get to it might be the Leslie Howard/Merle Oberon film. And of course we don't know what the original ending was in the play, as presumably Orczy used the altered ending for the book, given that the play became such a success.
While it definitely wasn't a five star read for me this time around (by comparison with my breathless excitement over it when 10 or 11), I have certainly enjoyed this discussion a lot. |
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