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You keep trying to get away with hot-button words. What do you mean by "inflated"? "Price that some customers are willing to pay, designed to maximize revenues"? Quote:
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I regard the agency prices charged for most new releases by the Big 5 under agency pricing as inflated. I regard them as a rip-off and don't purchase them at these prices. IMHO this is the reason why this particular publisher has been seeing an adverse impact on its ebook sales over a period of time. Not library lending. Also IMHO, these prices are not set to maximise revenues but to delay ebook adoption in an attempt to protect the market for paper books. A failing and in fact doomed endeavour, also IMHO. Indeed people who can't afford or won't pay the inflated price should wait. Books are not special snowflakes to which some different form of morality should apply. But clearly some of them will not wait. Far from torturous attempts to gloss over piracy I actually stated: Quote:
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Things like this make piracy an attractive option. Some people don't feel they should wait when they can get it for free. This is simple economics but the culture of the forum makes it taboo to speak of it. At least as far as I've seen. |
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07-22-2018, 05:25 AM | #37 | |
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07-22-2018, 05:34 AM | #38 | |
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Very few items are priced at just above what it actually cost to produce them. When you look at just the cost to physically produce an item without looking at everything involved, then you are cherry picking. There are a lot of people involved with creating a book and making it available that have to be paid. The physical cost of actually printing a book is a small, small fraction of the total cost of making it available. |
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When eBooks were able to be put on sale and the prices were lower, sales took off. For example, Fictionwise in its heyday had a great business model. Agency killed that. BooksOnBoard had a good business model. Agency killed that. I bought a lot of eBooks from Fictionwise and BooksOnBoard because I get what I felt was a good deal. Sometimes you are better to sell more for a lower margin and make more money then selling less for more.
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07-22-2018, 11:36 AM | #40 | |
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Well...some people's ability. Now my point isn't that books should be free but they should be reasonable priced *AND* accessible if publishers don't want people to investigate alternative options. I don't have to convince anyone of anything, that's my point. It's going to happen regardless and there's nothing the publishers can do about it. |
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Getting cheap books is great, except that if it's not a sustainable business model, then it goes out of business. Many companies have found that playing the discount game and the race to the bottom tends to be an unsustainable business model. You are basically trying to survive on a very narrow profit margin, which means anytime there is a down turn, you go belly up. Anyone remember what else happened in 2009? Big economic downturn. |
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It seems that some here are implying that those of us who don't want to pay what we consider a high price for an eBook are pirates. Not at all. We just don't pay those high prices (high in our mind, but maybe not yours). Instead, we will borrow books from the library, or read other, older books that do not cost as much to acquire. And if some publisher chooses to delay allowing libraries to handle their books, then we will continue on reading other stuff instead of those unavailable new release books.
Does that make us pirates in your mind? There is zero logic in that thought process IMHO. I'm guessing this experiment is for the publisher to determine how to maximize their profit. That's a fine goal for them. For some people, this experiment may push them to buy more eBooks rather then waiting for them to become available in the library. That's fine. I have no qualms with that. But for me, and I would propose also for the majority of library patrons, we'll just read OTHER stuff instead, as I have stated repeatedly above. This does not imply that we are pirates in any way. It simply serves as evidence that we want to maximize the benefits of our entertainment dollars. Just like the publishers want to maximize their sales. It's the exact same reason why I haven't gone to a movie theater in decades (too expensive in my mind). I wait until the movie can be rented at a RedBox much cheaper. That economical behavior choice doesn't make me a movie pirate either. |
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There is no right / entitlement to read. There is no excuse for pirating books. Not before ebooks and not now with ebooks. Whether you make money with it or not. There is plenty of legally free stuff. And that is where you and me will have to agree to disagree. No further point to argue with your extreme point of view. |
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