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Old 05-26-2007, 03:32 PM   #31
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If you really have $800 USD to purchase a note taker then I'd point you to the entry level model of the Samsung Q1 Ultra UMPC with One Note 2007. One Note 2007 rocks and has many more features than a Newton. The Samsung has less battery life than an iLiad but has a replaceable battery so you can have an extra with you. You can also use real Adobe Acrobat Reader to view PDF's, including the DRM versions the iLiad can't handle. Plus the Samsung rocks a real hard drive with tons of space (compared to an iLiad) for ebooks, tunes, movies, TV, MathLab or Mathmatica etc...
umpcportal points to someone who ordered a Q1U with extended battery in the US for $800. This will also run MobiPocket Reader and FBReader (assuming Vista does not screw up the XP versions). The real battery life won't be known until these get in the hands of users, but the 600 MHz version with extended battery should last a relatively long time.
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Old 05-27-2007, 05:47 AM   #32
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scotty, damn. that was some pretty good and detailed answer so thanks for that.

but i still have a few questions:
- does the newton transform my notes safely to a .txt (or whatever) format? some time ago i tried OneNote on a "real" tablet pc and was suprised of how good the transformation worked. is the text-recognition of the newton similar to that?
- even if i would buy a newton for taking notes i still need a device that will display my pdfs (books, scripts). because that is what im really looking for. so i thought the iliad was a good combination of both of the features. but i have to admit, the more i read and see about it, the more sceptical i get. seems like the most basic stuff is missing. and i wont buy a gadget for more than $650 that wont fulfill my needs. perhaps a sony and a newton will work.
BUT: that would mean i would have to carry my macbook, a newton and sony ereader with me :-D

so the umpc would be an alternative. but that thing is pretty expensive. the price for the iliad is barely acceptable. and after all, i dont know if i would like to have a pc with windows again. (i dont want to start the old apple vs. pc war, but i figured out that the mac works better for me.)

seems like that the device that i need has not been invented yet ;-) a new newton would be amazing i guess.

oh nearly forgot about that ... i saw that nokia 800 some time ago. its small but it looked pretty good, unfortunately no retailer in my town has one. so im not able to take a look at it.


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perhaps i should post in "which one should i buy". that seems the better place for that kind of questions.

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I can't believe that you're recommending a 10+ year old piece of technology over the iLiad...Yes the newton was ahead of it's time, but I don't consider it Jobs' gift to man as many of the apple fanboys do.

Using the iLiad for handwriting recognition may or may not work for you depending on the application. If you're taking a lot of technical notes, with figures, numbers, special formatting, etc. It is probably not your best choice if you wish to convert to text. Vision Objects works well enough for normal sentences and dictionary words. However, it is still not as good as Microsoft's handwriting recognition solution with the Tablet PC OS and One Note. If you don't mind reading handwritten notes, the iLiad is great.

As far as everything else... The battery life is okay. It's better than any Tablet PC or UMPC, including the Nokia's.

Since it runs Linux, and is in active development, improvements and 3rd party applications are coming out at a regular basis. If you want to read books and unprotected PDF's the iLiad works very well. Much better than the Sony on typical PDF's. In order to get a PDF to look right on the Sony reader, you will most likely need to run it through a 3rd party program to rotate and crop it, and change the fonts before it is readable. The iLiad, with it's larger screen and advanced software features can view most standard documents without modification. If necessary, you can rotate and/or zoom on the iLiad in order to get the best possible viewing experience.

All in all, it depends on what you need to do with it, and how much work you want to do to achieve the results you are looking for. I, for one, would not trade my iLiad for any other device on the market. Others may not feel the say way...
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:56 AM   #34
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I'm hardly an "apple fanboy," but I think Scotty's assessment of the Newton vs. the iLiad for notetaking was dead-on. This was a tool designed to do what the iLiad should have done. I like my iLiad tons, but I'm glad I didn't pay full price for it (I bought it used). Yes, it's getting better all the time, but for note-taking, the Newton still has it beat. Which is fairly embarrassing, considering how much expense and energy consumption is due to the iLiad's wacom digitizer.

Unfortunately, klark also wants to read PDFs, and I don't believe there is a PDF reader for the Newton. One would have to convert PDFs to another format, which can be done (even for non-text PDFs, if one wants to use OCR software), but it's a pain.

I haven't tried a UMPC yet. I really don't like Windows, and there are, unfortunately, no HWR programs for Linux yet. If someone releases a HWR/sketch recognition package for Linux, Nokia will probably get my money.
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