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a, a:link, a:visited, a:active, a:hover, a[href] { color: black; /* same color as the surrounding text */ text-decoration: none !important; /* to remove the underline */ cursor: text; /* to make the cursor stay as a text cursor, not the hand */ } Rubén |
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08-01-2013, 11:43 AM | #32 |
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I'm curious about this comment:
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Easter egg? Treasure hunt?
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I respect you immeasurably, as you know; but seriously, if they're not underscored, how will anyone know that a link is a link? We can't all use color, there are scores (ha! punning!) of B&W, e-ink, etc., readers. So...what do you think we should all be using? Particularly for something as teeny as a superscript? Rule out color, and what's left? I'm absolutely open to new ideas, but in the proscribed world of e-readers, what are our options? Hitch |
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If I'm reading an ebook, I certainly expect items in a TOC to be links to their appropriate sections, as well as anything that looks like a footnote, and even mentions to other parts of the book (references to chapters, equations, tables, or, why not, just "later on" and "above"). I will try to "click" on them and will be disappointed if they do nothing. In my opinion, there's often no need to know where every possible link is. It's just enough if, whenever the users wants a link to be there, it is, and it works. |
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I don't disagree that those of us who "live" in the ebook world--whether we're makers, designers, or just voracious readers--come to expect and look for and use those elements we think "should be" links. But we're not the usual consumers. I mean...I can't tell you the emails I get that don't know that footnotes get linked, or how to use them, or how to get "back" to where they were. Or...seriously, you just don't know. The questions I get, even from authors who have Kindles or Nooks or what-have-you...they don't expect to see or find links anywhere. You're imputing a level of expectation and user-sophistication that's common here, on MR, but not in the consumer world. I think that, for the time being, not underlining any type of link is an error. I can certainly see not doing it on the TOC, for aesthetic reasons, but anywhere else? Particularly if we're talking about glossary items, etc.? Just my opinion, which is worth what you're paying for it, but a dreadful mistake, until the rest of the world catches up to the level of MR. Hitch |
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I agree, Hitch. Links need a visual indication that they are links.
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However, I'm of the opinion that glossary-linked items should not be blue, underlined, and otherwise glaring and blatant. They should be differentiated from the rest of the text, but in a way that's easy to handle. If some readers don't get it, then at least we're not ruining the experience for the rest of them. But still, valid points. Here are some thoughts:
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I don't necessarily disagree. My questions/observations are few and simple:
@toolbox13: With regard to the inheritance, you have to ask yourself, inherit from what, if the color is automatic? That's the first thing. The default color for links on a Kindle is blue. Does the inheritance inherit blue? IIRC (and I freely admit, I could be mis-remembering this from the last time I tried to work with this, which was some time ago), the "automatic" color for links defaults to blue. If you set it to black, we're back at square one. But again, I could be not recalling this correctly. If you set the color for links, generally, so that the inheritance works (because I think that the various types of links would inherit the color from the a: setting, not from the text, and cascade thusly) then you have to pick something that will show up on Night mode. Red, etc., won't work with that. Jellby, does that sound right to you? The second is, how distinguishable do you think those shades of grey will be on the innumerable e-inks, ranging from the K-1s to K2's to K3's to Keyboards to Paperwhites to DX'es? It's spiffy to think about Fires and Fire HD's and all that cool stuff, but there are millions--millions--more e-inks than there are Fires. Is there a shade of grey that will work with Night Mode? I'll defer to those of you with stronger senses of color than I have; my experience is that only "automatic" text, which becomes white-on-black, works for Night Mode, but a light grey might (which, in turn, mayn't be readable on an e-ink in Day mode). Just my $.02 on this. Not opposed to outside-the-box ideas...just wondering, what can be done that a) works on all platforms and b) is intuitive to the reader, who, after all, is our end-product-consumer. Hitch |
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Well, underlining is maybe the best method, sure... but then, sometimes you want to underline other thing that are not links... If I can wish for a better world, maybe the reader could have an option to highlight (underline, frame, color...) links, then you wouldn't need to add anything yourself.
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My points were for the OP, who was discussing putting his book on Amazon, not to you. About what happens when the book is published, given the limitations of the devices and the users. Don't take it the wrong way. I make books professionally, so that's my frame of reference--"what happens when it gets uploaded at X?" @Jellby: Jellby, Jellby, Jellby, mon sweet: Yes, we can all hope for that better world. I agree, sometimes, we want to use actual underlines. It's kind of why we've been stuck with the color+underline. ;-) Hitch |
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