N00b questions - Page 2

nekokami · 10-31-2007, 12:49 PM

There are several programs that can merge your edits with the original PDF. One is provided by iRex, and there are some free ones developed by community members, too.

Also, if you make notes on plain "paper" on the iLiad, each page is saved as a .png file and they are linked by an xml file. You can access the images directly on your PC/Mac/Linux system.

astra · 10-31-2007, 12:56 PM

Can it read secured PDFs?

nekokami · 10-31-2007, 01:19 PM

Password protected, yes. Otherwise secured, no. Adobe hasn't allowed anyone else to make software to do that, I believe, and Adobe hasn't ported Acrobat to the iLiad.

astra · 11-01-2007, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekokami

Password protected, yes. Otherwise secured, no. Adobe hasn't allowed anyone else to make software to do that, I believe, and Adobe hasn't ported Acrobat to the iLiad.

I see.
It means that any pdf files from CD that comes with Microsoft books and is secured but not passworded will be unreadable on iLiad.

ILiad can read HTML files. Can it read CHM files?

wallcraft · 11-01-2007, 02:57 PM

FBReader can read CHM files, but it may hang if they are very large. The limit may be content dependent, but it failed for me on a ~7 MB CHM file (that was readable using FBReader on a Windows Desktop).

The Windows MobiPocket Reader is supposed to import CHM files and export a .MOBI file which is then readable using the iLiad's MobiPocket Reader (and probably by FBReader too). However, this did not work on the few CHM files I tried.

astra · 11-02-2007, 05:28 AM

Not a very enticing overall feeling...ehm.

nekokami · 11-02-2007, 09:48 AM

There was a script floating around a while ago that would page through PDFs and take snapshots of them, for processing by OCR. Not elegant, and not that fast, either. I don't know how many secure PDF documents you might need to convert....

astra · 11-02-2007, 10:03 AM

Well, secured pdf should not be a big issue. I just thought that if I have a genuine PDF file that arrived with pbook, I will be able to read it on the iLiad until I realised that if it is secured I cannot do it. I believe I can always find a copy of the same pdf with security stripped.

astra · 11-02-2007, 11:03 AM

A few more questions:

How well does it handle HTML books?

So far, I have encountered 3 types of books in html format.

1. Basic one. just one big HTML file, let's say 2M.

2. The same file but there is another folder that is called images and the HTML file in question has links to the image files in this folder.

3. Many HTML files. Book is devided into chapters or something like that. I think Baen does it this way as well.

daudi · 11-02-2007, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astra_lestat

A few more questions:

How well does it handle HTML books?

So far, I have encountered 3 types of books in html format.

1. Basic one. just one big HTML file, let's say 2M.

I've not tried so I don't know. If you happen to know of a large HTML file I could try and then let you know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by astra_lestat

2. The same file but there is another folder that is called images and the HTML file in question has links to the image files in this folder.

It handles links to images in another folder just fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by astra_lestat

3. Many HTML files. Book is devided into chapters or something like that. I think Baen does it this way as well.

It also handles this fine.

astra · 11-02-2007, 11:22 AM

I think I didn't express myself clear enough

2. When I said there is a HTML file with a folder which contains images that are linked to this file, I meant that when you open this HTML on your PC you get a nice book with pics that are located in the images folder.

3. So, you can navigate between chapters?
I think this type of books usually have a TOC html file and you click on chapter 1o, go there, read it and click on some sort of arrow which takes your forward to next chapter or back to a previous.

daudi · 11-02-2007, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astra_lestat

I think I didn't express myself clear enough

2. When I said there is a HTML file with a folder which contains images that are linked to this file, I meant that when you open this HTML on your PC you get a nice book with pics that are located in the images folder.

Yep. It uses a modified version of minimo. Adam has done some clever work that's makes it possible to surf the web on the iliad. Look at this thread https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13089

The images in this thread are from the modified version, but it still gives you an idea of how well pages are displayed, images are embedded and links are followed. (BTW the keyboard in the image is something that you activate when you need it).

Quote:

Originally Posted by astra_lestat

3. So, you can navigate between chapters?
I think this type of books usually have a TOC html file and you click on chapter 1o, go there, read it and click on some sort of arrow which takes your forward to next chapter or back to a previous.

I don't have any of these books, but yes, a TOC file that uses hyperlinks will work fine.

astra · 11-02-2007, 11:47 AM

Thanks!

nekokami · 11-02-2007, 11:58 AM

The minimo reader for HTML has some pretty serious limitations, though. For example, it doesn't remember what page you were on if you stop in the middle of a book. I prefer FBReader for my HTML books.

astra · 11-02-2007, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekokami

The minimo reader for HTML has some pretty serious limitations, though. For example, it doesn't remember what page you were on if you stop in the middle of a book. I prefer FBReader for my HTML books.

Do you find it convenient to read html books or do you convert them into mobipocket format with BD?

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10-31-2007, 12:49 PM	#16
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	There are several programs that can merge your edits with the original PDF. One is provided by iRex, and there are some free ones developed by community members, too. Also, if you make notes on plain "paper" on the iLiad, each page is saved as a .png file and they are linked by an xml file. You can access the images directly on your PC/Mac/Linux system.

10-31-2007, 12:56 PM	#17
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Can it read secured PDFs?

10-31-2007, 01:19 PM	#18
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Password protected, yes. Otherwise secured, no. Adobe hasn't allowed anyone else to make software to do that, I believe, and Adobe hasn't ported Acrobat to the iLiad.

11-01-2007, 02:57 PM	#20
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	FBReader can read CHM files, but it may hang if they are very large. The limit may be content dependent, but it failed for me on a ~7 MB CHM file (that was readable using FBReader on a Windows Desktop). The Windows MobiPocket Reader is supposed to import CHM files and export a .MOBI file which is then readable using the iLiad's MobiPocket Reader (and probably by FBReader too). However, this did not work on the few CHM files I tried.

11-02-2007, 05:28 AM	#21
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Not a very enticing overall feeling...ehm.

11-02-2007, 09:48 AM	#22
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	There was a script floating around a while ago that would page through PDFs and take snapshots of them, for processing by OCR. Not elegant, and not that fast, either. I don't know how many secure PDF documents you might need to convert....

11-02-2007, 10:03 AM	#23
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Well, secured pdf should not be a big issue. I just thought that if I have a genuine PDF file that arrived with pbook, I will be able to read it on the iLiad until I realised that if it is secured I cannot do it. I believe I can always find a copy of the same pdf with security stripped.

11-02-2007, 11:03 AM	#24
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	A few more questions: How well does it handle HTML books? So far, I have encountered 3 types of books in html format. 1. Basic one. just one big HTML file, let's say 2M. 2. The same file but there is another folder that is called images and the HTML file in question has links to the image files in this folder. 3. Many HTML files. Book is devided into chapters or something like that. I think Baen does it this way as well.

11-02-2007, 11:22 AM	#26
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	I think I didn't express myself clear enough 2. When I said there is a HTML file with a folder which contains images that are linked to this file, I meant that when you open this HTML on your PC you get a nice book with pics that are located in the images folder. 3. So, you can navigate between chapters? I think this type of books usually have a TOC html file and you click on chapter 1o, go there, read it and click on some sort of arrow which takes your forward to next chapter or back to a previous.

11-02-2007, 11:47 AM	#28
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Thanks!

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11-02-2007, 11:58 AM	#29
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	The minimo reader for HTML has some pretty serious limitations, though. For example, it doesn't remember what page you were on if you stop in the middle of a book. I prefer FBReader for my HTML books.