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Old 08-07-2019, 08:02 AM   #46
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I was commenting on using Whispersync to continue listening to an audio version in your car as suggested by Amazon. Under current laws in this area, you might get away with this as long as you did not touch the device playing the audio during your trip in the car so no playing back a passage that was missed or any other interaction with the device while your vehicle is not parked.

The remainder of the message was discussing that Amazon.ca does not show any matches using Audible Matchmaker while Amazon.com shows matches for my books purchased through Amazon.ca but even with the discounted price, on the expensive side by my standards.
I use CarPlay with audible to listen in the car. Yea, if you are trying to replay passages and the like, then you probably shouldn't be listening to audiobooks while driving. You are too focused on the book, and not focused enough on driving.

No idea about Amazon.ca, but the kindle app and my kindle device pretty much automatically match the ebooks and audiobooks for me. As long as I have both books, I don't have to do anything. As long as you buy the eBook first, you can sometime get a pretty big discount on the audiobook.

I've found that most of the time, if you buck the system then things are hard, but if you use the system the way you are suppose to, then life is a whole lot easier.
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Old 08-07-2019, 01:49 PM   #47
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I use CarPlay with audible to listen in the car. Yea, if you are trying to replay passages and the like, then you probably shouldn't be listening to audiobooks while driving. You are too focused on the book, and not focused enough on driving.

No idea about Amazon.ca, but the kindle app and my kindle device pretty much automatically match the ebooks and audiobooks for me. As long as I have both books, I don't have to do anything. As long as you buy the eBook first, you can sometime get a pretty big discount on the audiobook.

I've found that most of the time, if you buck the system then things are hard, but if you use the system the way you are suppose to, then life is a whole lot easier.
Audible app has a ‘car mode’ UI to make it more compliant with driving requirements (In California, I think you need it mounted on dashboard where it does not obstruct vision, and you can only do ‘one touch’ operations.). It has a big Play/Pause button, skip back 30 seconds button, and Bookmark button, and that’s all: no sleep timer speed control, chapter navigation.

The audiobook discount applies on books borrowed from a library or from Kindle Unlimited (the latter are usually under $5).

As far as matching, it is not as easy to find the Kindle edition that works with an Audible title you may have. The audible site does not have a link to the Kindle edition on Amazon, so you have to find the title on Amazon and then confirm there that you own the Audible title for WhisperSync for Voice. For public domain titles it can be a nightmare because there can be a dozen different editions to check, and some of the linked titles are incorrect. For example, an English edition of Anna Karenina was linked to a Russian language audiobook (!?). And there are a number of English language audiobook editions of this title.

The other problem that happens for me too frequently is that I own both ebook and audiobook, but it does not show up in Kindle app as having an audiobook companion. I’ve had to call customer support at least 6 times to fix such issues, sometimes problem is on Audible side and sometimes on Kindle side so it might take two calls to resolve it. With my last call it only got resolved on one device; the others still do not show it to have Audible companion. Granted, I have a pretty large library of audiobooks and ebooks so I have more ‘exposure’ to problems like this. The problem can strike at any time: sometimes an ebook update breaks it, and sometimes audiobook update breaks it. So it is annoying.

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Audible app has a ‘car mode’ UI to make it more compliant with driving requirements (In California, I think you need it mounted on dashboard where it does not obstruct vision, and you can only do ‘one touch’ operations.). It has a big Play/Pause button, skip back 30 seconds button, and Bookmark button, and that’s all: no sleep timer speed control, chapter navigation.

The audiobook discount applies on books borrowed from a library or from Kindle Unlimited (the latter are usually under $5).

As far as matching, it is not as easy to find the Kindle edition that works with an Audible title you may have. The audible site does not have a link to the Kindle edition on Amazon, so you have to find the title on Amazon and then confirm there that you own the Audible title for WhisperSync for Voice. For public domain titles it can be a nightmare because there can be a dozen different editions to check, and some of the linked titles are incorrect. For example, an English edition of Anna Karenina was linked to a Russian language audiobook (!?). And there are a number of English language audiobook editions of this title.

The other problem that happens for me too frequently is that I own both ebook and audiobook, but it does not show up in Kindle app as having an audiobook companion. I’ve had to call customer support at least 6 times to fix such issues, sometimes problem is on Audible side and sometimes on Kindle side so it might take two calls to resolve it. With my last call it only got resolved on one device; the others still do not show it to have Audible companion. Granted, I have a pretty large library of audiobooks and ebooks so I have more ‘exposure’ to problems like this. The problem can strike at any time: sometimes an ebook update breaks it, and sometimes audiobook update breaks it. So it is annoying.
I've got a bit over 700 audiobooks and 3500 ebooks, so I have a fair number. Of course, I also don't actually use whispersync, so I'm fairly oblivious towards any problems with the service.
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Major book publishers sue Amazon’s Audible over new speech-to-text feature

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Some of the world’s largest book publishers have jointly filed a lawsuit against Amazon-owned audiobook company Audible today over a new, controversial speech-to-text feature the literary industry claims is a violation of copyright law.

The lawsuit, filed in the Southern District Court of New York, includes the Big Five: Hachette, HarperCollins, Macmillan, Penguin Random House, and Simon & Schuster. It also includes San Francisco-based publisher Chronicle Books and Scholastic, the major children’s publisher that owns publishing rights to Harry Potter and The Hunger Games. All seven plaintiffs are members of the Association of American Publishers.

Publishers are taking issue with Audible’s new Captions feature, introduced last month. The feature uses machine learning to transcribe spoken words into written ones, so users can read along while they listen to an audiobook. The issue, however, is that Audible is doing this based on audiobook recordings, which have separate licenses to physical books and ebooks. The company is not apparently obtaining the necessary licenses to reproduce the written versions of these works.

Because Audible is relying on artificial intelligence, it appears the company is trying to claim a distinction between a newly created piece of text composed using AI, based on an audio recording, and the virtually identical text version of the book the audiobook was created from. At the time of its launch, Audible CEO Don Katz positioned Captions as an educational feature designed for schools, telling USA Today, “We know from years and years of work, that parents and educators, in particular, understand that an audio experience of well-composed words is really important in developing learners.”
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You know, I wondered at first how this different from close captioning of television. But why would the deaf actually bother with audiobooks? Wouldn't they just buy the book?
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You know, I wondered at first how this different from close captioning of television. But why would the deaf actually bother with audiobooks? Wouldn't they just buy the book?
And the blind could buy a Daisy version of a pbook.
But that's not how the law is written: the Laws (several, actually) explicitly outlaw "separate but equal" arguments. Requiring the disabled to buy a separate product is explicitly called out and prohibited. The only exceptions are for "undue burden" but now that feasibility of an economical solution has been established the exception goes away.
In fact, other audiobook vendor might be *required* to add captions.

They can take it up with Congress.

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You know, I wondered at first how this different from close captioning of television. But why would the deaf actually bother with audiobooks? Wouldn't they just buy the book?
Depends on the level of disability. It is not black and white. If you are partially deaf with bad eyesight, are you required to buy both audiobook and book? You need all the advantage you can get. Closed captioning doesn't have to be just written word. I imagine in the future you will have an AI version that will translate audio into sign language. They would surely sue again if the next Kindle app would have something text-to-ASL as that is a copyright violation as it is a "translation" or "performance".
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In fact, other audiobook vendor might be *required* to add captions.

They can take it up with Congress.
Yep, let them sue and accidentally force a precedent to force CC.
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