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09-30-2022, 08:02 PM | #49 | |
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Though ultimately I don't care, the lack of any kind of verification that the person has read or even owns the books reduces the review to basically meaningless for me. At least Amazon marks "verified purchase" on its own site for reviews. |
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How exactly could Goodreads verify that a person’s read a book? Unless you’re suggesting mandatory linking of Amazon and Goodreads accounts, which would at best only verify that a book’s been bought at Amazon and would exclude buying a book anywhere else. That’s kooky talk; the review itself tells whether or not a book’s been read.
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First, the site clearly states Review, not commentary. What is useful about a review for a non-existent book? What sort of review can you write about a non-existent book? Wow, can't wait for the book to be written. Really looking forward to it. Its going to be the best ever #bestbook #can't_wait #love_you_stephanie How do you explain the ratings on a non-existent book? Yea, I gave it 5 stars because I know its going to be fantastic. #love_you_steph Sorry, doesn't make sense. IMDB and TMDB don't allow ratings or reviews until a movie has been released. They both give a status - Pre-production, In-production, post-production etc If Amazon can do it for IMDB, why not GoodReads. I'll state it again... It is wrong to be able to rate a book that does not exist. It is wrong to be able to review a book that does not exist. Of course this is my opinion, but how could it be wrong |
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09-30-2022, 08:44 PM | #52 |
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Goodreads does not see it as a problem, as they have stated in the past when this has been brought up. They have been asked before this same question, but don't intend to change it as they are wanting members to rate/review as they see fit.
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And the verified purchase is useful on Amazon to a degree - but some of that was due to giveaways and fake reviews on the site, I think. Most of the physical objects I buy on Amazon aren't bought on my personal account unless they offer a payment plan like the 5 monthly payments for Oasis, etc., but I prefer to review on my personal account (if I review at all), so it doesn't always mean not owned that way either. People can have reviews on loaned and borrowed devices and books too that are just as accurate, so there'd by no point for any of this to be verified. If anything, I find Amazon too picky and restrictive, very rarely review books on there anymore. Last edited by Paperbackstash; 09-30-2022 at 09:29 PM. |
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09-30-2022, 09:46 PM | #54 | |
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And to Issy's point, yes it's rather hard to verify if someone has read the book, Amazon could easily allow linking a GR and Amazon account to show if someone has bought an edition of a book though. Lets not pretend that GR has remained wholly agnostic about preferred book vendors. They needn't make it a requirement, just an added bonus. |
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Most pre-publication reviews that are legit are from Netgalley, publishers or the authors directly, Amazon doesn't do ARC's, so these reviews would always miss this label if that feature existed. |
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By random users? I might think that's weird, but I'd ignore it, not insist that the site moderators remove it. People gotta people, and it's up to me whether I read it or not.
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This whole discussion as people tie themselves into torturous knots to come up with a plan to make reviews “legitimate” to me is prima facie evidence for why Goodreads’ policy of allowing wide-open reviews is by far the best option. |
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It would at least show the reviews of those who own the book. I think GRs policies need an overhaul, which seems to be happening re only librarians being allowed to add books. Hopefully there’s more to come from that. |
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10-01-2022, 09:42 AM | #60 | |
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As to people tying themselves in knots, what amusing hyperbole. Trying to ensure reviews are from people who have actually read the book they’re reviewing is clearly too much some people here. How dare anyone try to gatekeep the ability to review from those who have never read the book. Oh but we must think of them, they have no other way to keep tabs on these books. Surely not within the same website their “commentary” is on. We’ll just ignore the long standing feature of shelves on GR which are greatly customizable. And ideally set up for keeping tabs on your entire library. No, no. Clearly that isn’t enough. We should be grateful that they’re adding reviews to books that don’t exist and that they haven’t read yet. It clearly adds to the intent of a review system somehow or other. |
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