07-14-2012, 03:51 PM | #91 | |
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The point was that it is a lot easier to criticize, condemn, and complain about somebody ELSE's hard work, when you have no experience doing that kind of work yourself. If you knew how hard it is, you may not be quite so critical. And not suggesting improvements that would make it better (CONSTRUCTIVE criticism) is just plain destructive criticism at its worst. Last edited by geekmaster; 07-14-2012 at 08:46 PM. |
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Saying 'you can't complain unless you've made something better' is one of the dumbest (and, sadly, most common) arguments on the Internet. |
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Yeah, as a working application developer for 20 years, I'm 100% with Edward here.
My users (read:customers) are allowed to complain. Sometimes I get to tell them (even convince them) why what they want is impractical, or otherwise undoable or bad, more often, I make changes until they are satisfied. I wouldn't keep my job if I took the attitude that many Internet hobbyist devs take toward anyone who criticizes their work. "If you knew how hard it is, you may not be quite so critical." Imagine if your brain surgeon used that line after a botched surgery? Of course it's hard. That's why professionals do it. That's no excuse for not doing it well. |
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It looks a lot better now that I've actually put content in it and found out how to get my album covers to show.
Google isn't about making things look pretty. They are in it for the numbers. That's why you constantly see changes to the homepage and it's why one of their designers left: http://stopdesign.com/archive/2009/0...ye-google.html Quote:
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Funny thing, the one thing Google keeps doing that ticks me off is trying to make things look pretty. I came to love Google search for it's simple white screen, loading fast on any browser, on any connection, and nothing ticked me off more than when they started adding fade-in menus and tools bars. Similarly on Gmail, the old simple WAP-like mobile view worked on my K2, and any other way I ever needed to access, just fine. Now the mobile view has floating tool bars that disappear on my Fire, and other annoyances, and I can't see that it brought me any value other than trying to look pretty. Grrr! [/rant] |
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We did usability studies and eye tracking, and followed standard design principles. I realize that you cannot make everybody happy, but people who say it is "ugly" with no constructive suggestions about how to make it better are not helpful, and in fact those of us who have designed similar user interfaces can feel hurt by that. Sometimes (usually) there is a REASON why it looks the way it does (usually, less confusing to less people during a usability study). And the color schemes are often to compensate for visual difficulties such as color blindness, or outdoor viewing, or sometimes even to fit "company standards". There is a lot that goes into even the apparently simple design decisions. And it is often an iterative process evolving through a series of small changes until the participants are happy.
Regarding that screenshot, I do not think it is ugly. It looks adequately functional to me, and not all "hotdog stand", so what problems EXACTLY remain with it? Last edited by geekmaster; 07-14-2012 at 10:51 PM. |
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Here's my setup now:
You don't have to use those widgets, but I think they're nice. You have to use live/static wallpapers that blend in with it though. Obviously my phone camera doesn't do it justice like a screenshot would. However the ADB is not working on our builds yet. |
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As for being "adequately functional" that's a pretty low bar to set. Fortunately as a consumer I have a choice and can choose to reject dross that is only "adequately functional" |
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Okay, now I have to agree with you (THIS time). The new one just looks "harsh". I like the first one with its earthy tones a lot "more better".
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I did not say "you can't complain". I was just curious about what judgemental criteria were used to make that non-constructive criticism, and whether these criteria were based on actual user-interface design experience or just off-the-cuff personal opinion.
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