01-24-2009, 12:35 PM | #61 |
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01-24-2009, 12:36 PM | #62 |
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01-24-2009, 12:42 PM | #63 | |
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01-24-2009, 12:49 PM | #64 |
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01-24-2009, 12:51 PM | #65 | |
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Again, they make it perfectly clear they wouldn't have bought the Sony if they had known about the sample loaded, and they will not in the future buy books from Sony for the same reason, and they are accusing Sony of intolerance. Not buying a device because of one sample? Refusing to buy books in the future because of one sample? Accusing the company of being committed to intolerance because of one sample? I call that being intolerant of other beliefs. What do you call it? Last edited by desertgrandma; 01-24-2009 at 12:52 PM. Reason: posted too soon |
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01-24-2009, 12:57 PM | #66 | |
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As everyone knows, I'll do my level best to give people all sorts of reasons not to purchase Sony products (some of which probably don't have the all time best logical foundation), but accusing them of religious intolerance? That's even further out in left field than I'm willing to wander. |
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01-24-2009, 01:04 PM | #67 |
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Frankly, what I find surprising is the ridicule and vehemence with which many in this thread are commenting on the opinion of the original poster. Whether you agree with his statements or not, he has a right to voice his opinions without being made to feel foolish. I find it interesting how the word, "Intolerance" is used in regards to msmith when it can easily be used toward many of those posting an opposing view. Unfortunately, anytime someone presents themselves as a Christian, people jump to the conclusion that they are fanatical and intolerant when that is generally not the case.
For those who wonder how references to God can be included in much of our American government, the founding fathers were predominently believers whose families came to this country to worship freely in whatever way they chose. When our constitution was written, there was some discussion whether or not to include a reference to God. They chose to include it based on the fact that the majority of people in the colonies were believers. More importantly, the separation of church and state does not say that our government cannot make reference to a diety. It states that there cannot be any government sanctioned or sponsored religion. As for promoting the book, people who are searching for something to justify their stance on an issue will usual find it. Kaz |
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01-24-2009, 01:10 PM | #69 | |
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Actually, the US Presidential oath of office doesn't include any mention of god:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." However, many presidents have added "So help me God" afterwards. Quote:
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01-24-2009, 01:19 PM | #70 | |
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If you want tolerance for your religion, whatever it may be, you MUST have tolerance for all other religions, or those who do not believe in religions. Believe how you choose. Thats freedom. Accusing a company of supporting an agenda from a sample that was downloaded is just silly. Anytime you voice an opinion, you stand the chance of being made to feel foolish. Its the risk you take. As far as I know, political correctness hasn't made it mandatory to agree with anything anyone says. yet. |
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01-24-2009, 01:21 PM | #71 | |
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Also, the Constitution makes no mention or reference to God whatsoever. |
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01-24-2009, 01:25 PM | #72 | |
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A word to the wise, threads at MR tend to have a life all their own. If anyone has a concern about having their opinion bashed to bits, it's probably best not to post it in the first place. When I think of all the names I've been called for expressing an opinion ... snork. Too funny. But, really, the OP made a loaded statement, and then asked if anyone else shared the opinion. That's a bit like walking into a tiger cage wearing a raw meat outfit with a sign that says "Eat Me!!" As to your last statement, that's true about any issue. "[P]eople who are searching for something to justify their stance on an issue will usual [sic] find it." I'll go you one better. People who are searching for something to justify their stance on an issue will always find it. Even if they have to make it up. As an example, I'd love to know from what credible source the statistic of 90% of Americans believing in (a) god came from. Considering that a large percentage of Americans are still of an age where they still believe in the Easter Bunny .... that's just not saying all that much. Eh, maybe you're right on that .... so perhaps it would be better if I just said "outfield." |
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01-24-2009, 01:34 PM | #74 | |
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"IMO, this tells me a few things. 1. Sony does not care that (according to numerous polls) that 90% of Americans believe in God. They are clearly interested in promoting their own agenda, regardless of the fact that it may insult 90% of their customers. 2. The choice of including this book demonstrates a policy that they agree with the content of the book, to the point that it should be promoted to every single person who purchases their ebook reader. 3. Sony is committed to this type of religious intolerance because it apparently has also been included for free on the new 700 model." With absolute and utter respect for mrsmith's belief in a deity, that is a load of cobblers. May all forum readers enjoy a happy and wonderful Year of the Ox. |
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01-24-2009, 02:15 PM | #75 | |
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He has accepted the Christian definition of "deity" and works to disprove it; his arguments are fairly meaningless to people of faiths who don't accept the Christian definition of "god." As a devout person of a non-monotheistic religion, I find its inclusion much less inflammatory than, say, an excerpt of the Bible. But mostly, I agree with the people who assume they decided to include it based on recent book sales, and that they're likely to change the "starter pack" for Sony Readers every year or two to match current market preferences, whatever those happen to be. |
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