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Old 01-04-2013, 11:17 AM   #301
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Und da hier zur Zeit manche Stilmittel (wie z.B. Ironie) nur verstanden werden, wenn mindestens fünf Emoticons drangehängt sind, erlaube ich mir auch noch folgenden Hinweis:

Ich bin ganz doll davon überzeugt, dass Mmat sehr wohl weiß, wann und in welcher Sprache Musil und Zweig geschrieben haben, er sich aber der Zwangsverpflichtung Spinnis entziehen wollte, deren Werke zu digitalisieren. Versteht man aber nur, wenn man die Einträge dieses Threads länger verfolgt hat und nicht nur sporadisch vorbeischaut, um harsche Urteile zu fällen.

So langsam sollten wir das Thema (und die Scherze) totgeritten haben, wissen aber immer noch nicht, wer denn nun Zweig macht. Ich bin’s nicht.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:02 PM   #302
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Zweig mache ich ganz bestimmt nicht. Den fand ich schon immer sterbenslangweilig. Aber bei Fischer gibts den ja in Dutzenden von Einzelbändchen. Kommt bestimmt nur auf 200 Euro oder so, wenn man die alle kauft. Wir wollen schließlich nicht geizig sein!
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:32 PM   #303
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Cool, da die beiden ›natürlichen‹ Kandidaten für Gesamtwerke jetzt wegfallen, bleibt uns Zweig wohl erspart.

Und die ›neuen‹ sind ja erstmal länger mit Karl Kraus beschäftigt ...
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:45 PM   #304
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... Ich bin ganz doll davon überzeugt, dass Mmat sehr wohl weiß, wann und in welcher Sprache Musil und Zweig geschrieben haben, er sich aber der Zwangsverpflichtung Spinnis entziehen wollte, deren Werke zu digitalisieren. Versteht man aber nur, wenn man die Einträge dieses Threads länger verfolgt hat und nicht nur sporadisch vorbeischaut, um harsche Urteile zu fällen. ...
Eben, und um zufällig vorbeibrummende "Eintagsfliegen" muss man sich hier auch nur kurz kümmern - ob die ironische Salve dann immer auch verstanden wird, kann einen kalt lassen.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:48 PM   #305
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... Und die ›neuen‹ sind ja erstmal länger mit Karl Kraus beschäftigt ...
"Neue" gibts nicht, und Kraus auch nicht.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:52 PM   #306
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Zweig ... fand ich schon immer sterbenslangweilig. ...
Ein m.E. traumatisch aus Kindheits- und/oder Jugendeindrücken gespeistes Vor-Urteil. "Schachnovelle" zumindest ist ein erzählerisches Meisterwerk, und ein großer Essayist in Sachen Geschichte und Literatur ist Stefan Zweig allemal.
Aber "ihn machen"? - Aus welchem Material denn?
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:54 PM   #307
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"Neue" gibts nicht, und Kraus auch nicht.
Ooch, aber wer macht uns denn dann den Kraus? Wo doubleshuffle und ich uns doch mit Benjamin rumschlagen müssen.

A propos, kann mal jemand doubleshuffle erklären, warum Benjamin Yeats vorzuziehen ist. Mir fällt grad nichts ein.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:57 PM   #308
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Auch von meiner Seite: derzeit kein Kraus, kein Benjamin und kein Zweig.

Vielleicht schaff ich's ja irgendwie, mich aufzuraffen und euch den nächsten Stoltze Schock zu verpassen, das scheint mir im Moment lohnender...

Aber eigentlich ist derzeit angesagt ...
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:57 PM   #309
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Ein m.E. traumatisch aus Kindheits- und/oder Jugendeindrücken gespeistes Vor-Urteil. "Schachnovelle" zumindest ist ein erzählerisches Meisterwerk, und ein großer Essayist in Sachen Geschichte und Literatur ist Stefan Zweig allemal.
Aber "ihn machen"? - Aus welchem Material denn?
Ihr braucht einfach nur einen holländischen Mäzen, der euch die Fischer-Ausgaben kauft. Die dürfen doch da, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, DRM entfernen.

Frau Reuters hat davon aber auch ganz viel auf dem Schreibtisch liegen, kommt wohl nächste Woche.

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Old 01-04-2013, 01:35 PM   #310
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Und – nur für den Fall, dass jemand danach gesucht haben sollte – hier ist sie: die berüchtigte ue-Ligatur!

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Old 01-04-2013, 04:06 PM   #311
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Ich hab gehört, bei Benjamin solls von denen nur so wimmeln...
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:23 PM   #312
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Der eine wird immer "fitter" und "happier", der andere ist sowie "Forever Young" ... wenn ihr da nicht flugs den Benni mitsamt seinen Ligaturen bunkert, dann soll mich doch dieser und jener ... pynch, kannst du "holländische Mäzene" vermitteln?
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Das finde ich eigentlich eine gute Idee: Den Zweig völlig enthemmt aufzukaufen und daraus eine schöne Leseausgabe zu gestalten. Diese gierigen Holtzbrinck-Sachen mit dem ganzen Copy & Paste aus gemeinfreien Datensätzen gehen mir so auf die Nerven, das glaubt man gar nicht.. Für diese Ebookpreise kann man sich die Erstausgaben besorgen, da liegen noch einige Exemplare herum die auf glückliche Besitzer warten.

Ich denke Menschen nehmen Zweig heute als langweilig wahr, weil dort nichts passiert. Ich möchte seit ein paar Jahren das Joseph-Fouché-Buch lesen..

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..aber irgendwie schaffe ich das nicht.

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pynch, kannst du "holländische Mäzene" vermitteln?
Holländer kenne ich aus Prinzip nicht – die haben unsere Tante Käthe angespuckt.
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