Line Break Madness on Nook - Page 2

AuthorGreg · 11-01-2013, 11:52 AM

Problem is, though, other books display without the line breaks. I just don't know what to do about this. Talking to anyone at Barnes & Noble or Nook Press about such matters is, well, hell, you all already know what it's like....

I'd thought that learning how to craft an eBook to exact specs would finally yield me a decent Nook title. I was better off using Word/Calibre with them....

G

JSWolf · 11-01-2013, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AuthorGreg

Problem is, though, other books display without the line breaks. I just don't know what to do about this. Talking to anyone at Barnes & Noble or Nook Press about such matters is, well, hell, you all already know what it's like....

I'd thought that learning how to craft an eBook to exact specs would finally yield me a decent Nook title. I was better off using Word/Calibre with them....

G

Question, how does the sample display on the nooks in the store? We know it displays well outside the store.

Also, find someone who bought your book and ask how it looks.

SBT · 11-01-2013, 01:23 PM

The Nook (Simple anyway) by default overrides a book's stylesheet with a standard one. (As you may already know?)
I haven't got my Nook here, there is a setting somewhere for enabling the in-file stylesheet. Is this the culprit, perchance?

JSWolf · 11-01-2013, 01:45 PM

But one thing the nook setting do not do is create paragraph spaces where none exist.

AuthorGreg · 11-01-2013, 03:26 PM

I'm headed over there now to try some things out. I hope they don't arrest me for loitering...

AuthorGreg · 11-01-2013, 03:37 PM

Well, I didn't have to go the store. I downloaded another sample (my book is Return To Middle C, by Gregory Shultz). When the publisher default is selected, everything is fine. Uncheck that box, and anything can happen, including my top margins being completely ignored. I'm going back to check my CSS and make sure I didn't fudge anything up.

Lord....

Thanks to everyone for the help. You're a great bunch!

G

AuthorGreg · 11-01-2013, 05:13 PM

Well, I'm tearing my hair out here.

It looks like the only time any Nook reads my CSS file is when it is either A) set to Publisher Defaults or B) being rendered by the Nook Press online Nook Previewer.

I've torn my CSS file apart, looking for anything that might be the culprit. Adobe Digital Editions renders is beautifully.

I'm about at the point I'm willing to pay someone a reasonable price to check this out, because I clearly don't know what I'm doing. Someone suggested I convert the MOBI to ePub with Calibre, but that really sounds backwards to me. I don't know....

What can I do?

Thanks,

Greg

JSWolf · 11-01-2013, 05:17 PM

Instead of paying someone, why not buy a copy of the book to see what it looks like straight from B&N?

AuthorGreg · 11-01-2013, 05:28 PM

I've downloaded the sample and the ePub from the Nook Press console. Would the for-sale version be any different?

AuthorGreg · 11-01-2013, 09:46 PM

Update:

I've figured some of it out.

Having deduced that different flavors of whatever version of ADE (or whatever the case may be) is installed collapses margins when they're declared via "margin bottom", I've gone back into my CSS and have removed ALL bottom margin declarations. It'll take a while for Nook Press to propagate the changes, so I can't report back until Sunday morning or later.

I'm hoping it was just my sloppy CSS. We'll see....

Edit: Still don't know about the line breaks between paragraphs, though. Gotta figure a way out to keep them together through all sorts of weather, as it were....

G

JSWolf · 11-02-2013, 10:37 AM

A bottom margin of 0 is what will do to keep away the paragraph spaces. That works in ADE v1.7.2 which is an older version of ADE then the nook uses.

There's no reason to remove bottom margins. They do work. They've worked since the first version of ADE. They work in the current version of ADE as well.

AuthorGreg · 11-02-2013, 11:40 AM

Well, in the most recent sample I downloaded of my book from B&N (and I have a Simple Touch with latest firmware), all the bottom margins were collapsed. I mean every single one of them. It was a bloody mess.

I'm beginning to believe no two Nooks are alike.

On the side-loaded ePub, the one that had bottom margins, the bottom margins WERE honored. Yet after Nook Press gets done mangling the very same ePub, the margins collapsed. I cannot figure this one out AT ALL.

Kindles appears to be much more forgiving devices. I have a few, and my stylesheets still have the bottom margins specified -- no problem!

I really don't know what's going on here....

G

JSWolf · 11-02-2013, 03:12 PM

That's Nook Press mangling things, not ADE.

AuthorGreg · 11-02-2013, 04:10 PM

So how does one negotiate the Nook Press mangling? How does one create an ePub that can take the "beating?"

AuthorGreg · 11-02-2013, 05:44 PM

My last message didn't make it up. Oh well.

Anyway, this is from the Nook Press formatting guide:

VIII. CSS/Fonts

When defining styles in the CSS, margins should be set as “pixels”, not “ems”, or “% of ems”. This will optimize the viewing area regardless of selected font or type size.

So I'm going to follow that route.

G

11-01-2013, 09:46 PM	#25
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	Update: I've figured some of it out. Having deduced that different flavors of whatever version of ADE (or whatever the case may be) is installed collapses margins when they're declared via "margin bottom", I've gone back into my CSS and have removed ALL bottom margin declarations. It'll take a while for Nook Press to propagate the changes, so I can't report back until Sunday morning or later. I'm hoping it was just my sloppy CSS. We'll see.... Edit: Still don't know about the line breaks between paragraphs, though. Gotta figure a way out to keep them together through all sorts of weather, as it were.... G Last edited by AuthorGreg; 11-01-2013 at 10:03 PM.

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11-01-2013, 11:52 AM	#16
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	Problem is, though, other books display without the line breaks. I just don't know what to do about this. Talking to anyone at Barnes & Noble or Nook Press about such matters is, well, hell, you all already know what it's like.... I'd thought that learning how to craft an eBook to exact specs would finally yield me a decent Nook title. I was better off using Word/Calibre with them.... G

11-01-2013, 01:23 PM	#18
SBT Fanatic Posts: 580 Karma: 810184 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Norway Device: prs-t1, tablet, Nook Simple, assorted kindles, iPad	The Nook (Simple anyway) by default overrides a book's stylesheet with a standard one. (As you may already know?) I haven't got my Nook here, there is a setting somewhere for enabling the in-file stylesheet. Is this the culprit, perchance?

11-01-2013, 01:45 PM	#19
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,957 Karma: 128903250 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	But one thing the nook setting do not do is create paragraph spaces where none exist.

11-01-2013, 03:26 PM	#20
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	I'm headed over there now to try some things out. I hope they don't arrest me for loitering...

11-01-2013, 03:37 PM	#21
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	Well, I didn't have to go the store. I downloaded another sample (my book is Return To Middle C, by Gregory Shultz). When the publisher default is selected, everything is fine. Uncheck that box, and anything can happen, including my top margins being completely ignored. I'm going back to check my CSS and make sure I didn't fudge anything up. Lord.... Thanks to everyone for the help. You're a great bunch! G

11-01-2013, 05:13 PM	#22
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	Well, I'm tearing my hair out here. It looks like the only time any Nook reads my CSS file is when it is either A) set to Publisher Defaults or B) being rendered by the Nook Press online Nook Previewer. I've torn my CSS file apart, looking for anything that might be the culprit. Adobe Digital Editions renders is beautifully. I'm about at the point I'm willing to pay someone a reasonable price to check this out, because I clearly don't know what I'm doing. Someone suggested I convert the MOBI to ePub with Calibre, but that really sounds backwards to me. I don't know.... What can I do? Thanks, Greg

11-01-2013, 05:17 PM	#23
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,957 Karma: 128903250 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Instead of paying someone, why not buy a copy of the book to see what it looks like straight from B&N?

11-01-2013, 05:28 PM	#24
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	I've downloaded the sample and the ePub from the Nook Press console. Would the for-sale version be any different?

11-02-2013, 10:37 AM	#26
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,957 Karma: 128903250 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	A bottom margin of 0 is what will do to keep away the paragraph spaces. That works in ADE v1.7.2 which is an older version of ADE then the nook uses. There's no reason to remove bottom margins. They do work. They've worked since the first version of ADE. They work in the current version of ADE as well.

11-02-2013, 11:40 AM	#27
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	Well, in the most recent sample I downloaded of my book from B&N (and I have a Simple Touch with latest firmware), all the bottom margins were collapsed. I mean every single one of them. It was a bloody mess. I'm beginning to believe no two Nooks are alike. On the side-loaded ePub, the one that had bottom margins, the bottom margins WERE honored. Yet after Nook Press gets done mangling the very same ePub, the margins collapsed. I cannot figure this one out AT ALL. Kindles appears to be much more forgiving devices. I have a few, and my stylesheets still have the bottom margins specified -- no problem! I really don't know what's going on here.... G

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11-02-2013, 03:12 PM	#28
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,957 Karma: 128903250 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	That's Nook Press mangling things, not ADE.

11-02-2013, 04:10 PM	#29
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	So how does one negotiate the Nook Press mangling? How does one create an ePub that can take the "beating?"

11-02-2013, 05:44 PM	#30
AuthorGreg Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 2nd Gen, Kindle 7" Fire HD	My last message didn't make it up. Oh well. Anyway, this is from the Nook Press formatting guide: VIII. CSS/Fonts When defining styles in the CSS, margins should be set as “pixels”, not “ems”, or “% of ems”. This will optimize the viewing area regardless of selected font or type size. So I'm going to follow that route. G