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Exactly. But see my thread below where I'm searching for this easy-to-access pause button. I haven't quite found it yet.
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Well, they do if you listen with an app on a tethered phone or tablet. Just yank the cord. Then you don't have to look (say, if you're about to crash the car) or fiddle with controls. |
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About the only time I really think about audio books is when I'm traveling and I see the audio book displays in the truck stops. I think, "if I was driving a truck that would probably be great." But, as is, I'm always traveling with the family (on long trips) so that's about as far I get with the concept of audio books.
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Even when the device has one, the device is not in my hand or positioned with the button exposed. |
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09-16-2018, 04:55 AM | #22 |
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Both pause and rewind/fast forward.
An open page requires no interaction when you want to pause. You just turn your eyes out to the real world and that's the pause. Flipping back and forth occurs with page-perfect precision. Rewinding/ff-ing audio is so much harder that comparison is useless. I am not denouncing audiobooks. I listen to plenty of audio, even though video is likely winning, such as science lectures on youtube, many audio-only. This is the kind of audiobooks I do a lot, so I know the quirks. Last edited by mobama; 09-16-2018 at 04:58 AM. |
09-16-2018, 09:46 AM | #23 |
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And when you stop reading a page for a few minutes because something comes up, when you return to your book, you eyes instantly find the exact spot where you stopped? You don't ever need to reread a paragraph or search for where you were when you were interrupted? You never ever lose your place or need to go back and refresh your memory?
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09-16-2018, 05:19 PM | #24 |
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I began listening to audio on Caedmon records in the 1950s. They weren't complete books but plays and stories and poems. I loved them.
I was always a heavy reader of books and I never really saw any reason that one was a better format than the other. Then sometime in the 1970s I began to get cataracts and they limited my reading. Due to an earlier eye injury they were considered inoperable till they got really bad. So I reserved what reading I could do for work and began listening to audiobooks. Given my early experience with Caedmon that was a natural. I finally got cataract surgery in the 1990s but by then I was enjoying audiobooks and saw no reason to change until I got my first Kindle in 2009. I stopped listening and began reading. In recent months I've begun to listen again. I'm doing both. Listening and reading; sometimes the same book and sometimes I listen to one and read another. I'm enjoying both. I've done a lot of both over the last few decades and with one exception I can't see that either has an advantage, at least with respect to reading novels. I think I'd prefer reading non-fiction to listening although I haven't really tried that much so I'm not sure. The one advantage I think ebooks (or paper books) have is greater availability. Pretty much everything is available in print. The selection of audiobooks is very good but not nearly as great as the selection of print. Another issue is the importance of the narrator. If the book you want to read is narrated by someone you don't enjoy listening to that can be a problem. However, if you're like me and most of the time you just look for something you'll enjoy, there are plenty of good books by good narrators so there's no real issue. The one thing I am absolutely sure of, at least in the case of novels, is that anyone who says one format is good and the other one is bad is only talking about their own tastes, although they might not realize that. Barry |
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mobama, I agree that perhaps your choice of non-fiction does not lend itself well to audiobooks. As to your opinion of narrators, I think you don't have enough experience of professional narrators. The biggest problem is that the narration, even if well done, may not fit your internal voice for the character.
I do agree that text-to-speech machine narration is difficult, but some can adapt to it readily. I have no problem with it after 3-4 chapters. Since, unfortunately, this may be the only way I will be able to read books not available in audio form in a few years, I typically listen to TTS while washing dishes. Regular practice makes a difference. I was a narrator for college science textbooks while I was in college and virtually everybody wanted me to do their book - not only could I pronounce everything, but many of the listeners reported that they could tell when I was suddenly intrigued by something I was reading. Tables, asides and footnotes - very difficult to do in a narration. Last edited by Tarana; 09-16-2018 at 07:20 PM. |
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In the beginning, I mostly listened them when traveling the 2+ hours to visit my family. Then I moved from an apartment to a condo, and I knew if I turned on the television, I'd plunk down in front of it and not get anything done. But I could listen to audiobooks while cleaning and packing. Now, I find I get impatient with reading because I can't do something else at the same time. There are some books I prefer in print - some because I can't stand the narrator, some because I'd just rather not have someone read them to me - but I tend to put off reading them to listen to something else. |
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I think both reading and listening can be extremely enriching experiences. I find listening a bit challenging because my attention tends to wander off sometimes. However, that was how it was when I first tried reading: it was difficult to sustain attention.
I recently listened to AJ Homes's reading of Margaret Atwood's Stone Mattress. It was a chilling experience. It felt like I was reading the short story. In sum: I like both, but I prefer reading (but this is not because I dislike the listening, just a personal preference.) |
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When I first started listening to audiobooks, it was hard for me to focus, but after a few, that is not an issue. I think listening-to-read is a skill that requires some training (unless your parents still read to you, etc.).
I think of them as complementary formats, and indeed, avail myself of Kindle’s ‘immersion reading/Whispersync for voice’ frequently. Even if I mostly listen, there are times I like to go to the actual text, especially if I want to make notes or highlight something. Also one of the weaknesses of audiobook apps is the inability to Search for a phrase or word directly. The only recourse is to skip around and hope you can stumble on it. Audiobooks could have a searchable index without needing to have the complete text. Type a word or phrase and it could return locations that match up. Thus (since I mosly partake of Amazon’s ecosystem): I would like to see the Kindle app enhanced to be able to play audiobooks in one’s Library standalone: - X-Ray ‘index’ overlaid so you can get a description of people, terms etc, and be able to use that to navigate to references of same, just as you can with Kindle books with X-ray feature - ‘real’ chapter titles that align with the text’s (instead of generic ‘chapter 1, chapter 2’ that don’t necessarily correspond to book chapters) - while the narrator reads the chapter titles as they are encountered, it would be nice to use those for visual navigation as well - Goodreads integration Last edited by tomsem; 09-17-2018 at 10:07 PM. |
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It obviously shouldn't be any kind of "ought to" issue - whatever works best for the person. Both preferences and circumstances change etc.
For me, though, I don't have a lot of time when I can listen to audiobooks, but can't read, and reading is faster - I don't have the patience to listen to someone reading out loud, when I could read the story in half the time. |
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For what it's worth, when I listen to an audiobook the next day, I often go back 3-5 minutes for a refresher as to what was going on. I rarely did that with paper books. In my case, it appears reading memory isn't the same as audible memory. *Armageddon's Children by Terry Brooks |
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