Sony's new 13.3" digital paper DPTRP1 released - Page 57

HarryT · 10-06-2017, 05:04 AM

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ReaderUser · 10-22-2017, 04:20 PM

I used my DPT-R1 for about 10-20 minutes, and then left it for 10 days, and it still had 4 bars in the battery indicator, so I guess it doesn't have a defective battery, which is a good thing.

[Although I basically did the same thing again in the last 10 days, and it went down to 3 bars.]

Using the DPT-R1 to read a paperback non-fiction book 2 pages at a time, I have come to realize how useful a 13.3" 2200 x 1650 laptop would be. The 4:3 ratio is still the best for office productivity in anything smaller than 24-inches, in my view.

Even a 14 or 15-inch laptop with a 2200 x 1650 screen would be enormously useful for me. Too bad nobody makes them. The Microsoft Surface Laptop at 2256 x 1504 is pretty close, but it has a glossy screen, which is suboptimal. [Still a pretty-good package though.]

My DPT-R1 is compensating for my X1 Carbon's stupid 16x9 screen, and the money went to Sony instead of Lenovo for the new model [since they still don't offer a tall-screen laptop.]

Essentially, DPT-R1 aspect ratio and resolution is great. [Wouldn't hurt to go higher, though.]

fgdas · 10-27-2017, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ReaderUser

Using the DPT-R1 to read a paperback non-fiction book 2 pages at a time, I have come to realize how useful a 13.3" 2200 x 1650 laptop would be. The 4:3 ratio is still the best for office productivity in anything smaller than 24-inches, in my view.

Even a 14 or 15-inch laptop with a 2200 x 1650 screen would be enormously useful for me. Too bad nobody makes them. The Microsoft Surface Laptop at 2256 x 1504 is pretty close, but it has a glossy screen, which is suboptimal. [Still a pretty-good package though.]

Google's Pixelbook or Samsung's Chromebook Plus/Pro have same aspect ratio but only 12.3 inch.

ReaderUser · 10-27-2017, 10:37 PM

Yes, I've been keeping tabs on all 3:2 aspect ratio computers. The Chromebooks look really nice, but they don't run an operating system that I am familiar with.

Man, how hard can it be for Lenovo or somebody to produce a run of 3:2 ultrabooks if Microsoft and Google manufacturers can source screens in bulk?

Anyway, I wish someone would produce that Microsoft Surface Studio monitor without the Surface Studio and just the monitor. It would be a hot seller. 27 inch 3:2 monitor sized for default Windows DPI levels!

On topic, does anyone know how to clear the pencil smudges from the DPT-R1? I'm left-handed, so I smudge with the pencil.

dr_eos · 11-06-2017, 02:53 PM

Maybe it has already been answered ... I've received my DPT RP1 today and I've noticed small light grey squares on the entire display. You can see them even if the device is switched off. Is that normal? The device and the pen have a charging indicator which is glowing red when connected to power. Will the indicator change when the battery is full? (becoming green?). I've charged the pen for about an hour and nothing happens.

JoeS · 11-06-2017, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dr_eos

The device and the pen have a charging indicator which is glowing red when connected to power. Will the indicator change when the battery is full? (becoming green?). I've charged the pen for about an hour and nothing happens.

When charging is done the red LED just turns off, at least for the pen. I think even the reader itself doesn't show green when charged. As you say, it does take a while.

ReaderUser · 11-06-2017, 08:20 PM

The red light on the reader and the pen both indicate charging.

There is no green light on either device. When charging is complete, the lights wink out.

I, too, have found that charging takes a while. I suspect it is best to leave the reader away from the charger for a few days at a time, in order to reduce wear on the battery. Constant charging to 100% can't be too good for it.

The light grey squares on the display are part of the grid used to pick up the pencil. They are annoying, although not really a factor for a normal document at normal viewing distances.

It would be so much better if they could do away with the grid, because then the screen could be as crisp and clear as a late-model paperwhite display, from any angle.

dr_eos · 11-07-2017, 01:38 AM

Thank you. I've hoped they would have fixed the annoying PDF navigation by now ... I'm apalled by it. Otherwise the device is pretty cool, the Windows printer service beeing especially useful.

ReaderUser · 11-07-2017, 08:58 AM

I'm lucky that 90% of what I read are journal articles, not PDF books. The thumbnail navigation is adequate for a 20-page article, but we all miss being able to enter a page number in larger documents.

The Windows Printer Service sounds cool, but I must have missed the manual on how to set that up. Is there documentation? Printing to the DPT-RP1 would greatly speed some things up.

dr_eos · 11-07-2017, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReaderUser

I'm lucky that 90% of what I read are journal articles, not PDF books. The thumbnail navigation is adequate for a 20-page article, but we all miss being able to enter a page number in larger documents.

The Windows Printer Service sounds cool, but I must have missed the manual on how to set that up. Is there documentation? Printing to the DPT-RP1 would greatly speed some things up.

I've installed the Digital Paper App and the printer just appeared.

YasBean · 11-08-2017, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dr_eos

I've installed the Digital Paper App and the printer just appeared.

The printer driver “Print to Digital Paper” works only on OSX and Windows 10, but not on Windows 7.

rogerpiano · 11-23-2017, 03:35 AM

Hello to all. I'm evaluating the purchase of the DPT-RP1 despite all the criticisms emerged by reading this forum. In particular, the problems that bother me are:

1) 16 GB of internal memory (i would use it more)
2) I live in Italy (so I do not know how much I would cost and of course I have no guarantee in case of problems)
3) Toe wear and rechargeable pen
4) Problems connecting to the PC (I have windows 7)

However, I could neglect these problems, but a matter for me remains fundamental: I use the ereader mainly for musical scores (from single instrument to orchestral score). From what I understand the DPT displays the pdf in its original size, so you can shoot the pages. The zoom is "fixed" in the sense that a zoomed pdf can not "move" or even rotate page.

The question is: if I have a PDF that naturally is smaller than the DPT screen, is there a chance to fit it to the screen size and then turn the page? Many music PDFs are less than the screen (as I've seen in some videos), but it seems absurd that I can only display them in the original because I can not turn them over ...

Sorry for automatic translation

ReaderUser · 11-23-2017, 09:20 PM

1) 16 GB is sufficient for non-graphical PDFs. I have a mixture of graphical documents and text articles, and have only used 4 GB of storage so far.

If your needs are primarily graphical, however, the 16 GB limit could become a problem.

2) If you live outside of major distribution countries, you may have to pay hefty import fees. I know I did.

3) Not sure what you are referring to here, but the pencil tips deplete relatively quickly. If you only use the pencil for annotation, it is okay. But if you are writing entire documents with the pencil, it will deplete too quickly.

4) I have Windows 7 and it connects fine. But I have all the administrator permissions. Hopefully you do too.

Also, the DPT-RP1 on Windows 7 cannot "Print to PDF," which is a handy feature that exists for the device in Windows 10. That is really the only problem that I have noticed.

PDF zoom is easily the weakest part of the DPT-RP1. You can only zoom one page at a time. After you exit the zoom, the zoom level resets.

What that means is that you cannot set a consistent zoom level for the entire document. It will always display the document zoomed to fit on the screen.

If you have a PDF formatted for small screens, it will simply be blown up to fit the screen.

If the PDFs truly are displaying small pages, you could easily set the device to view them 2-per-page.

What Sony needs to do is release an update that allows you to set a zoom level or area selection that is consistent across the entire document, instead of the user having to manually employ the zoom level for each page.

YasBean · 11-24-2017, 12:14 AM

I have gotten into the habit of preprocessing pdf files before loading them. I will zoom, crop, and make full text searchable (which allows highlighting scanned documents). I also edit the document title and author for more convenient indexing on the RP1. Yes, I do wish these could be done on the RP1, but it is not a big deal.

I also thought memory would be a problem, but I have just changed my attitude. I originally planned on storing all of my documents on the RP1, but it turns out I have over 20GB, so now, I load what I expect to need. It turns out that I do not need everything all the time.

rogerpiano · 11-26-2017, 11:28 AM

Unfortunately I read that the available memory is 11 GB out of 16 available, and for me really few. Probably the DPT-RP1 was not thought of as a device to store such material.
For me the issue of memory and the limits of zoom management are serious issues that make me not point to this device. It is a shame, because in front of a hardware of all respect you have to stop due to a defective software.
I would also have faced the risks of the lack of warranty and the higher cost for customs, but in this case I have to give up!

10-22-2017, 04:20 PM	#842
ReaderUser Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kindle 3 (Graphite), Kindle Paperwhite 2, Kindle DX Graphite	I used my DPT-R1 for about 10-20 minutes, and then left it for 10 days, and it still had 4 bars in the battery indicator, so I guess it doesn't have a defective battery, which is a good thing. [Although I basically did the same thing again in the last 10 days, and it went down to 3 bars.] Using the DPT-R1 to read a paperback non-fiction book 2 pages at a time, I have come to realize how useful a 13.3" 2200 x 1650 laptop would be. The 4:3 ratio is still the best for office productivity in anything smaller than 24-inches, in my view. Even a 14 or 15-inch laptop with a 2200 x 1650 screen would be enormously useful for me. Too bad nobody makes them. The Microsoft Surface Laptop at 2256 x 1504 is pretty close, but it has a glossy screen, which is suboptimal. [Still a pretty-good package though.] My DPT-R1 is compensating for my X1 Carbon's stupid 16x9 screen, and the money went to Sony instead of Lenovo for the new model [since they still don't offer a tall-screen laptop.] Essentially, DPT-R1 aspect ratio and resolution is great. [Wouldn't hurt to go higher, though.] Last edited by ReaderUser; 10-22-2017 at 04:24 PM.

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10-27-2017, 10:37 PM	#844
ReaderUser Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kindle 3 (Graphite), Kindle Paperwhite 2, Kindle DX Graphite	Yes, I've been keeping tabs on all 3:2 aspect ratio computers. The Chromebooks look really nice, but they don't run an operating system that I am familiar with. Man, how hard can it be for Lenovo or somebody to produce a run of 3:2 ultrabooks if Microsoft and Google manufacturers can source screens in bulk? Anyway, I wish someone would produce that Microsoft Surface Studio monitor without the Surface Studio and just the monitor. It would be a hot seller. 27 inch 3:2 monitor sized for default Windows DPI levels! On topic, does anyone know how to clear the pencil smudges from the DPT-R1? I'm left-handed, so I smudge with the pencil.

11-06-2017, 02:53 PM	#845
dr_eos Member Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2017 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 3	Maybe it has already been answered ... I've received my DPT RP1 today and I've noticed small light grey squares on the entire display. You can see them even if the device is switched off. Is that normal? The device and the pen have a charging indicator which is glowing red when connected to power. Will the indicator change when the battery is full? (becoming green?). I've charged the pen for about an hour and nothing happens.

11-06-2017, 08:20 PM	#847
ReaderUser Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kindle 3 (Graphite), Kindle Paperwhite 2, Kindle DX Graphite	The red light on the reader and the pen both indicate charging. There is no green light on either device. When charging is complete, the lights wink out. I, too, have found that charging takes a while. I suspect it is best to leave the reader away from the charger for a few days at a time, in order to reduce wear on the battery. Constant charging to 100% can't be too good for it. The light grey squares on the display are part of the grid used to pick up the pencil. They are annoying, although not really a factor for a normal document at normal viewing distances. It would be so much better if they could do away with the grid, because then the screen could be as crisp and clear as a late-model paperwhite display, from any angle.

11-07-2017, 01:38 AM	#848
dr_eos Member Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2017 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 3	Thank you. I've hoped they would have fixed the annoying PDF navigation by now ... I'm apalled by it. Otherwise the device is pretty cool, the Windows printer service beeing especially useful.

11-07-2017, 08:58 AM	#849
ReaderUser Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kindle 3 (Graphite), Kindle Paperwhite 2, Kindle DX Graphite	I'm lucky that 90% of what I read are journal articles, not PDF books. The thumbnail navigation is adequate for a 20-page article, but we all miss being able to enter a page number in larger documents. The Windows Printer Service sounds cool, but I must have missed the manual on how to set that up. Is there documentation? Printing to the DPT-RP1 would greatly speed some things up.

11-23-2017, 03:35 AM	#852
rogerpiano Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 12 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Italy Device: Sony PRS 650, Onyx Boox M92, Onyx Boox Max2	Hello to all. I'm evaluating the purchase of the DPT-RP1 despite all the criticisms emerged by reading this forum. In particular, the problems that bother me are: 1) 16 GB of internal memory (i would use it more) 2) I live in Italy (so I do not know how much I would cost and of course I have no guarantee in case of problems) 3) Toe wear and rechargeable pen 4) Problems connecting to the PC (I have windows 7) However, I could neglect these problems, but a matter for me remains fundamental: I use the ereader mainly for musical scores (from single instrument to orchestral score). From what I understand the DPT displays the pdf in its original size, so you can shoot the pages. The zoom is "fixed" in the sense that a zoomed pdf can not "move" or even rotate page. The question is: if I have a PDF that naturally is smaller than the DPT screen, is there a chance to fit it to the screen size and then turn the page? Many music PDFs are less than the screen (as I've seen in some videos), but it seems absurd that I can only display them in the original because I can not turn them over ... Sorry for automatic translation

11-23-2017, 09:20 PM	#853
ReaderUser Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kindle 3 (Graphite), Kindle Paperwhite 2, Kindle DX Graphite	1) 16 GB is sufficient for non-graphical PDFs. I have a mixture of graphical documents and text articles, and have only used 4 GB of storage so far. If your needs are primarily graphical, however, the 16 GB limit could become a problem. 2) If you live outside of major distribution countries, you may have to pay hefty import fees. I know I did. 3) Not sure what you are referring to here, but the pencil tips deplete relatively quickly. If you only use the pencil for annotation, it is okay. But if you are writing entire documents with the pencil, it will deplete too quickly. 4) I have Windows 7 and it connects fine. But I have all the administrator permissions. Hopefully you do too. Also, the DPT-RP1 on Windows 7 cannot "Print to PDF," which is a handy feature that exists for the device in Windows 10. That is really the only problem that I have noticed. PDF zoom is easily the weakest part of the DPT-RP1. You can only zoom one page at a time. After you exit the zoom, the zoom level resets. What that means is that you cannot set a consistent zoom level for the entire document. It will always display the document zoomed to fit on the screen. If you have a PDF formatted for small screens, it will simply be blown up to fit the screen. If the PDFs truly are displaying small pages, you could easily set the device to view them 2-per-page. What Sony needs to do is release an update that allows you to set a zoom level or area selection that is consistent across the entire document, instead of the user having to manually employ the zoom level for each page.

11-24-2017, 12:14 AM	#854
YasBean Enthusiast Posts: 35 Karma: 126 Join Date: Apr 2017 Device: Sony RP1	I have gotten into the habit of preprocessing pdf files before loading them. I will zoom, crop, and make full text searchable (which allows highlighting scanned documents). I also edit the document title and author for more convenient indexing on the RP1. Yes, I do wish these could be done on the RP1, but it is not a big deal. I also thought memory would be a problem, but I have just changed my attitude. I originally planned on storing all of my documents on the RP1, but it turns out I have over 20GB, so now, I load what I expect to need. It turns out that I do not need everything all the time.

11-26-2017, 11:28 AM	#855
rogerpiano Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 12 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Italy Device: Sony PRS 650, Onyx Boox M92, Onyx Boox Max2	Unfortunately I read that the available memory is 11 GB out of 16 available, and for me really few. Probably the DPT-RP1 was not thought of as a device to store such material. For me the issue of memory and the limits of zoom management are serious issues that make me not point to this device. It is a shame, because in front of a hardware of all respect you have to stop due to a defective software. I would also have faced the risks of the lack of warranty and the higher cost for customs, but in this case I have to give up!

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