Obama on Mythbusters.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

The problem with Obama's campaign promises is that people believed them. You should never do that with a politician, no matter what the party. Even for the percentage of promises they actually meant to keep (however small) they will never know how difficult they might be to keep until they are actually in office and know the "lay of the land" (cue Clinton joke.)

Myself, (and I'm sure a few list members are going to love this) I wanted Hillary for president because I wanted Bill back in the office (even if just as "First Lady.")

I also wanted Hillary but for her own qualifications (not that I have any problem with Bill's). It's a pity it didn't work out that way.

[Joebill]

Of course civilian leaders who have never served will ask Generals for advice. At least he is asking, instead of knowing nothing about troop deployment. Even Ike asked for advice after he became President as things had rapidly changed after he retired form the military.

As for President Obama being on Mythbusters, he has allready said he didn't get to blow anything up.

Oh, and it was President Bush that put the US in such huge debt by bailing out Wall Street.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

I also wanted Hillary but for her own qualifications (not that I have any problem with Bill's). It's a pity it didn't work out that way.

No intention to downplay her qualifications-- I just considered them pretty much a "package deal" during Bill's terms, and would still have considered them the same if she had won, just with the "official" one flipped.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

..... If you really think things are better, you have your head in the sand....

Thanks for the respect of my opinions. Yes things ARE better, FAR BETTER than the point when Obama took office.

Guess I shoulda stuck a "SERIOUS" tag on this, but I had no idea it was going to bring 'em out of the woodwork.

[Joebill]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Well certainly some are, many others are very pleased with where we are. I'm one of them.

I'm tired of people expecting a free ride and government to take care of everything. It's time to get things under control, under control of the people, not the corporations.

Oh and he's right, btw.

See, we can agree on something.

I definately prefer Obama over Bush. Particularly the second Bush.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by Joebill

...Oh, and it was President Bush that put the US in such huge debt by bailing out Wall Street.

Hunh?

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Joebill

See, we can agree on something.

I definately prefer Obama over Bush. Particularly the second Bush.

Of course! and Lady Fitz and I agree on some things as well. Not this one apparently.

[kennyc]

And the Wall Street Bailout (which I do not agree with) was peanuts compared to what we've spent in Iraq and Afghanistan which were inherited by Obama through no fault of his own.

[Joebill]

Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Hunh?

Over a trillion dollars worth. Obama had nothing to do with the big dump of cash into Wall Street, that was a Bush Junior special deal in the few months he had left in office.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I'll grant that Obama is an improvement over Bush II (which isn't saying much).

It's one thing to to get advice from your underlings, especially when they know more about something than you do. It's another when they boss you around. Obama simply is not in control.

[Joebill]

Originally Posted by poohbear_nc

Reminds me of an opening skit on SNL - where the actor portraying Obama listed the major promises made during his campaign - and after each one said "Nope, not done either!"
That is Mythbusting!

I prefer to ignore campaign promisies made by politicians. Lets me sleep at night to.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by Joebill

I prefer to ignore campaign promisies made by politicians. Lets me sleep at night to.

Then what criteria do we have to judge them on when choosing?

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Thanks for the respect of my opinions. Yes things ARE better, FAR BETTER than the point when Obama took office.

Unemployment rates, at least, don't bear that out.

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...rate&tdim=true

I see that your state of Colorado has a bit less than national average and mine (South Carolina) has a bit higher than average, but for both unemployment now is higher than it was in November 2008.

Do I blame that on Obama or Bush? Nope. We are in the midst of another fundamental sift in the structure of the job market-- much like there was with the industrial revolution-- and nobody's going to stop it. But still-- it is hard to say that things are "better."

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Unemployment rates, at least, don't bear that out.

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...rate&tdim=true

I see that your state of Colorado has a bit less than national average and mine (South Carolina) has a bit higher than average, but for both unemployment now is higher than it was in November 2008.

Do I blame that on Obama or Bush? Nope. We are in the midst of another fundamental sift in the structure of the job market-- much like there was with the industrial revolution-- and nobody's going to stop it. But still-- it is hard to say that things are "better."

What is that fundamental shift and what caused it? (I'm not trying to be a "sagacious donkey;" I'm really curious).

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Unemployment rates, at least, don't bear that out.

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...rate&tdim=true

I see that your state of Colorado has a bit less than national average and mine (South Carolina) has a bit higher than average, but for both unemployment now is higher than it was in November 2008.

Do I blame that on Obama or Bush? Nope. We are in the midst of another fundamental sift in the structure of the job market-- much like there was with the industrial revolution-- and nobody's going to stop it. But still-- it is hard to say that things are "better."

True, but you're right in that the president alone doesn't bear responsibility for that -- I blame the Wall Street mess which he has worked diligently (even if I don't agree with the details) to get under control as well as working to address the unemployment which I believe would be much worse without the action that have been taken.