10-27-2012, 08:04 AM | #286 |
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Never in a million years will I spend 1 penny on an Apple product. It's Sheepware!!
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10-27-2012, 08:10 AM | #287 | |
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10-27-2012, 09:13 AM | #288 | |
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Truthfully they could have easily done it this time but their purposely holding off to have something to sell later. |
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10-27-2012, 09:25 AM | #289 | |
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No need for conspiracy theories when the simplest explanation of keeping hassles and costs low (hence the other major deficiencies of the Mini) to maximize their profit will do. |
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10-27-2012, 09:32 AM | #290 | |
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I'm just saying with the 163 PPI (pixels per inch) there is no way that happens by chance they must have had the screens made deliberately with exactly half the pixels. When you take into account almost every other tablet and phone is over the 200 or even 300 ppi limit, simply these days screens that low don't exist unless their made to order. My opinion is they were made artificially low simply so Apple can say the word "double and twice as many" next time Last edited by Teknikal; 10-27-2012 at 09:34 AM. |
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10-27-2012, 11:09 AM | #291 | |
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It took innovation to bring the iPad down to size while remaining enough of an iPad to satisfy the customers. Takes innovation to keep the battery life while shrinking the size and weight of the battery. The iPad 2 is still selling, so I can't see how an even better resolution of the iPad mini is deficient....same number of pixels in a smaller area equals better resolution. To say the iPad mini represents innovation in no way equals "nobody but Apple is innovating". Google Nexus 7 represents innovation, as do the Amazon and B&N tablets. They will each find their markets. Google and Amazon have both admitted that they sell their tablets at cost. Something is VERY right with Apple in that it can make it's tablets and sell them for a profit. The competitor who has to work very hard, and then sell for no profit, is not the competitor who has the stronger product. |
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10-27-2012, 11:21 AM | #292 | ||
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Surely both are examples of product evolution, not innovation? EDIT: though I note Samsung claim on their site that the metal body is innovative, lol: Quote:
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10-27-2012, 01:50 PM | #293 | |
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I'm getting really uncomfortable in this thread however. I'm not a fan of the poster who is claiming that the iPad mini is innovative. It's not. But I did order one because I think I need to hold it and see it and use it to know whether it's right for me. Likely the ppi will bother me too much. But I like the apps available in iOs even if I find the UI incredibly boring now. and the screen real estate available over the 7 in devices may be significant and very useful for my needs, and the weight is very low. But I felt okay reporting that I was interested in trying it because I've always felt this forum is full of mostly respectful posters. The last few posts are full of angry opinions about "sheep" that I did not enjoy reading. I disagree that you have to be clueless and stupid in order to want an iPad mini. I do agree the performance specs and price are not great in comparison with Nexus 7. But someone can be tied to iOS, like that apple keeps up with updates, like I messaging, or even just like the aesthetic. For me, iOS and the screen estate and weight were ultimately enough for me to give it a try. |
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10-27-2012, 02:25 PM | #294 | |
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Basically my point is it's either the biggest coincidence in the world or else Apple did it on purpose just so they can say double the pixels next time. |
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10-27-2012, 02:51 PM | #295 |
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The thread really ran out of gas quite a while back.
While there is some minor amusement value in watching the bullets fly, the acrimony is starting to overwhelm even that. And so far neither camp seems to be addressing the elephant in the room. It all boils down to two hard to swallow truths: 1- iPad mini is going to sell by the million, despite its specs, despite its price 2- Apple no longer controls the media consumption tablet market For the next year or so the media consumption tablet market is going to be in total flux as it goes from being an Apple-dominated niche to a wide-open competitive market with multiple categories and niches and one where iOS is a *minority* player. Apple will still be biggest single player for a while longer but from here on out the arguments are really going to be about mission suitability and the price of lock-in rather than "innovation" or "revolution" hype. The game is no longer about specs per-se--that game died with the iPad3--but rather "what's it for?". And once you get serious about *that* you''ll start seeing a *lot* of sales going to tablets that are neither iPads nor generic Android. Apple no longer defines what a consumer tablet is (it never got even close to defining what a business or institutional tablet is) but that doesn't mean Google gets to define it either. The new boss is the consumer; not Apple, not Google. The game is no longer a take-it-or-leave-it proposition, but rather the good old consumer electronics game of trade-offs. Of knowing what you personally value and and how much and then cross-shopping until you get a match. The dirty secret of the media consumption devices is that the OS is really irrelevant. Look at smart TVs and audio receivers; most have Netflix and Hulu and Vudu and Amazon Video and Pandora and LastFM. So do most high-end Blu-ray players and most media streaming boxes. Gaming consoles, too. When mainstream consumers buy any off those they neither know nor care what the OS is. All they care is about the added value of the "right" apps be there. And *that* is where consumer tablets are headed. For all the sniping about Apple Vs Google (because that was the tablet Apple chose to highlight) the real disruptor in this game is Amazon. They're the ones driving prices down by selling tablets at cost, they're the ones threatening to derail Google's Android plans by forking it and thus forcing Google to do the Nexus in the first place, and they're the ones that took 22% market share in a few months by showing that people *did* want a 7in media tablet if the price was right. Both Apple and Google are *reacting* to Amazon (and to a lesser extent, B&N) while trying to hide the fact that neither is calling the shots. I'm thinking that the longer the argument of iOS vs Android lingers on specs and marketting and lock-in, on sheep vs drone name-calling, the more often the real-world answer is going to be "who cares?" (meaning the forked Android tablets) or, worse; "Windows". New game, new rules. And both Apple and Google are behind the curve now. What I'm interested in is saying who recovers first. Last edited by fjtorres; 10-27-2012 at 02:54 PM. |
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Exactly. iOS is rigid when it comes to resolutions, unlike a modern OS which would offer flexibility to accommodate a host of possible resolutions. Just see what happened to the new iphone, most apps letter box, when you would expect apps to simply show more content out of the box. Having the developers have to rework their apps simply because the resolution changed (and not that much, it was only stretched) is madness.
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You did. When you say the mini is innovative, by definition, it means it has something that was not there before:
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10-27-2012, 03:14 PM | #298 |
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http://allthingsd.com/20121026/amazo...-mini-assault/ Grain of salt time: Amazon is reporting the launch of the iPad Mini unleashed a 3X sales increase...of the FireHD. Hmm... Apparently a lot of fence-sitters got off the fence. |
10-27-2012, 04:56 PM | #299 | |
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IOW, innovative doesn't have to be ahead of the competition, it can be off to the side of them. It can sometimes be so far off to the side that it runs off the road and crashes in a ditch. That's part of the risk of innovating. ApK Last edited by ApK; 10-27-2012 at 05:02 PM. |
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10-27-2012, 06:30 PM | #300 |
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Um, resolution, when combined with physical screen size, is what determines the PPI (Pixels Per Inch). 7.9" at 1024x768 is 162.03 PPI (guess the .9" part is just rounded up and it's really 7.853" if the PPI is actually 163).
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