06-10-2023, 06:42 AM | #1 |
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Standard books epub vs kepub and calibre
I am thinking of switching from my paperwhite to a clara HD
I have a bunch of epubs in calibre Standard ebooks say that for kobo one should use their kepub files rather than epub files because "[although] Kobos can open and read regular epub files like the compatible epubs we offer for download..... doing so triggers Kobo’s bad ebook renderer, which is based on A.D.E" https://standardebooks.org/help/how-...books#kobo-faq However, in calibre you can set it up so that epubs in calibre convert to kepub on sending to the Kobo reader. So my question is whether there is much material difference between a) sending a (well formatted) epub file to the Kobo via Calibre which converts to kepub) b) reimporting the books as kepubs from standard books and then sending them to the Kobo (via calibre) |
06-10-2023, 10:11 AM | #2 |
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No, I only read the regular epubs on my Kobo. I don't like kepubs. I do convert all imported epubs from Standard ebooks and Gutenberg to epub with some settings set.
Reading one right now. Kepubs have advantage of able to zoom images. It's a matter of opinion if rendering is better. There are bugs in kepub renderer. An epub from docx looks like original (if on a small page size) in Wordprocessor, a kepub doesn't. |
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06-10-2023, 12:48 PM | #3 |
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Standard Ebooks makes their ePub such that it breaks with RMSDK on Kobo. Do they have to do it this way? Nope. Do they have to make their ePub as complicated (code wise) as possible? Nope.
But they do. It's been pointed out to them what's wrong and how to fix it. Also, it's been shown to them that the same eBooks can be made with simple code. But they don't care and refuse to do it so there ePub works in more places. So what I do is refuse to have anything to do with their eBooks. There should be no need to have to do a Calibre ePub > ePub conversion. They refuse to listen to reason, I refuse to recommend them to anyone. |
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I don't think it's right to blame Standard E-books for the incompatibility, however. If their e-books are standard compliant, and it is Adobe/Kobo who refuse to fix bugs that causes the formatting to fail, it's clearly a fault with Adobe/Kobo. Quote:
That being said, it's possible that Standard E-books might be making more changes to accommodate the Kobo's quirks. For example, the Kepub engine can not properly render spacing or sizes in physical measurements, (ie, Inches, cm, or pt.) and only produces consistent results if using relative sizes, (em or %) |
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06-10-2023, 05:34 PM | #6 |
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Also many ebooks use pt, because Wordprocessors don't use em. All correctly rendering engines simply regard 12pt = 1em, thus everything is relative as intended. The purely Kobo proprietary kepub doesn't do this with pt, which is a bug. I've not figured out exactly what it was doing and kepub may treat pt on margins and font sizes differently, so I gave up and switched to epub for Kobo. All ebooks then have relative font sizes and margins as intended, no matter if pt or em.
However you have a choice. I now convert all ebooks added to Calibre anyway to automatically remove line-height and other stupidity. Sometimes I have to manually fix azw3, but only from the house of random penguins. So I have no problem with Standard eBooks epubs. Calibre gives choice. It quick and trivial to have epub or automatically send kepub to a Kobo, so the same epub is sent as epub to Sony, Boyue, Apps, Y-ben, Binatone etc. I copy a load of PD ebooks to other family members. Not all have Kobos and some get azw3. Last edited by Quoth; 06-10-2023 at 05:37 PM. |
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I download ePubs from StandardEbooks and use Calibre to send it as a kepub. I would have no problem downloading Standard's kepub, but since a kepub is just an ePub with extra spans, I like having the 'cleaner' ePub in my Calibre library.
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06-12-2023, 02:36 AM | #9 |
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Thank you for comments everyone
I notice that when kepubs are imported into calibre, calibre regards them as epubs in terms of filetype My calibre is setup to convert epubs to kepubs when sending to kobo So when a kepub in calibre gets sent to Kobo, does calibre try and modify it again or does it recognise it is a kepub and then just pass it across? (I know I can always sideload the kepub to Kobo but I was just wondering) |
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The ePub from Standard eBooks is very much not clean.
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06-12-2023, 10:59 AM | #11 |
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As someone who was too young to have participated in the vim vs emacs wars of yesteryear, I am thrilled to be present to witness the EPUB vs KEPUB wars of today. Thank-you, internet!
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Also, unless you have a compelling reason to have SE books in your Calibre library, you could just download the books directly from SE onto your Kobo using the experimental browser. Since my Calibre library was meant to be a reflection of ebooks I had "bought" and stripped the DRM from, I stopped bothering to keep local copies of SE books. |
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06-12-2023, 04:38 PM | #14 |
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Are the pre-made KEPUB files the same as the ones you get with Calibre/kepubify, or does SE do extra processing on them?
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They are pretty much what you would get with the KTE driver or kepubify. They are intended for Kobo's epub3 Webkit based renderer so do not have a toc.ncx which will cause issues if you try reading on an epub2 renderer.
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