Is the iLiad a weapon of terror? (poll)

doctorow · 08-11-2006, 09:47 AM

Sure you all must have heard of the recent events at London airport Heathrow. A bunch of chicken-hearted terrorists have planned to blow up airplanes in flight from the UK to the US.

What's interesting is to observe the drastic short/long(?)-term measures airport security is going to take to prevent such a terror plot from happening.

Just forget about it if you plan on carrying your iLiad as hand luggage if you fly from Europe to the US these days. Notebook computers, digicams, etc. must go in check luggage. And so would your iLiad.

What should we do now? Do we have to go back to p-books again?

Alexander Turcic · 08-11-2006, 09:59 AM

I'd leave it at home and cry during the flight.

Calabahn · 08-11-2006, 10:19 AM

It looks like TSA here in the states will let us still have our electronics, just no liquids or gels.
So no toothpaste or deodorant. We'll be a smelly lot; but we'll have our toys.

Alexander Turcic · 08-11-2006, 10:55 AM

Ryan of Engadget also posted about the gadget ban, which is currently only in place in some parts of Europe: http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/t...an-of-gadgets/

jæd · 08-11-2006, 11:36 AM

AFAIK this ban is only for 72h... Hopefully they'll relax it soon, otherwise everyone will start using Paris or Frankfurt as travel hubs for longer destinations...

arivero · 08-11-2006, 12:30 PM

paperbooks also banned. You are only allowed to on-fly audio/tv and on-fly high spirit liquors. Hmm what does it happens if I put the audio inside the liquor? Bah, never mind.

High 5 · 08-11-2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

I'd leave it at home and cry during the flight.

"Sir, we cannot allow you to cry during the flight, as you know liquids are strictly forbidden!"

scotty1024 · 08-11-2006, 01:15 PM

ILiad's are not dangerous, its the people that want to blow up themselves and others that are dangerous.

Personally I feel it better to water the tree of liberty with the blood of a few innocent patriots being exploded than to surrender our liberties for a false sense of safety from barbarians. Find the barbarians and do unto them before they do unto us.

The government has learned to not negotiate with terrorists. But it still has yet to learn that by allowing barbarians to take our liberties they give them the power to change our society, even if their bombs don't go off...

oliverbogler · 08-11-2006, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty1024

ILiad's are not dangerous, its the people that want to blow up themselves and others that are dangerous.

Personally I feel it better to water the tree of liberty with the blood of a few innocent patriots being exploded than to surrender our liberties for a false sense of safety from barbarians. Find the barbarians and do unto them before they do unto us.

The government has learned to not negotiate with terrorists. But it still has yet to learn that by allowing barbarians to take our liberties they give them the power to change our society, even if their bombs don't go off...

I agree. The next time they'll take away our watches - wasn't there a plot to use a digital watch to set off a bomb? For sure the next time they won't use liquids. Since Reed they have x-rayed several hundred million shoes...

Anyway - I am going to the UK at the beginning of Sep, and my iLiad will stay home for now. I do need to take my MacBookPro though, and am quite worred that I'll have to check it on the way home! Anyone ever done that (sorry, off the topic of iLiads...)

Henry Loenwind · 08-12-2006, 04:55 AM

mmmh, these terrorists are surely recourcefull. What will be next? Bombs implanted into people, clothes prepared to release toxic fumes when ignited, martial arts attacks against windows?

Wouldn't it be easier if one big country would try to stop making enemies?

b_k · 08-12-2006, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Loenwind

...
Wouldn't it be easier if one big country would try to stop making enemies?

From my point of view (=not living in said country) it would be easier.
But I have to say, I don't get whats going on in politics. It looks to me as when in every more or less democratic country the politicians work against the citizens.

Cut a little bit of privacy here, a little bit there, all for the "war against terrorism".

I better stop ranting now, if I write more, this for shure would have to go into a politics forum.

CommanderROR · 08-12-2006, 06:33 AM

I think the limitations won't last too long...but I have to agree with the above two posters: the USA and Israel should stop messing around with the Msulim Countries.

I'm not Pro-Terrorist...and I doubt anyone here is...but I guess terrorism is the only way to go for the poor countries (they don't have a lot of modern military equipment) down there...anyting else and the US just send in a bunch of ariplanes and bomb everything to dust.

And I have to say one more thing for terrorists:
They're fair (going by a certain meaning of the word fair of course):

Germany didn't participate in the (unjustified) attack on Iraq and so far there has been no terrorist activity here, just like the other countries that said no to the USA get left in peace. Only thoses who supported America are in trobule now.

However, innocents always suffer, and the fact that a good friend of mine couldn't leave London on Thursday because of the whole business is just one small example. The people dying from terrorist attacks are usually not the ones who caused the whole mess...so that's where fairness stops unfortunately.

I'm sorry if I hurt anybodies feelings here, but this is really something I saw coming before the Iraq war even started...

Back to Gadgets:
Sooner or later authorities will have to realize that there is no way to secure airplanes and public places against terrorist attacks. You can make a bomb out of too many things, hide explosives in too many places...so I think the whol banning and searching process will be short-lived.

High 5 · 08-12-2006, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty1024

ILiad's are not dangerous, its the people that want to blow up themselves and others that are dangerous.

The chances that you get on a plane with someone who is carrying a bomb is very, very small.
The chances that you get on a plane where two or more people who are unaware of each other get bombs on your plane, are practically zero.

So, to be on the safe side, logic dictates that you should always try to get a bomb on a plane.
(as of now I am on a number of blacklists

)

Alexander Turcic · 08-12-2006, 08:08 AM

I understand this is a sensitive topic so let's try to stick our focus on gadgets and airplanes, not politics.

TadW · 08-12-2006, 08:58 AM

If you decide to put it in your check luggage, David has a good suggestion how to protect your e-book reader from a potential total fallout: the Otterbox.

Otterboxes are crushproof and waterproof up to 100 feet deep (which is hopefully not so important on an airplane). I am not sure which one would be the right fit for the iLiad, but the 2000 model seems alright.

View Poll Results: No more iLiad as hand luggage. What will you do on your next trip?
Pack it into checked luggage (and hopefully sign an insurance)	6	19.35%
Leave it at home and go shopping for p-books at Borders	8	25.81%
Convince the airport guy that it's totally harmless	17	54.84%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

08-11-2006, 09:47 AM	#1
doctorow Guru Posts: 914 Karma: 3410461 Join Date: May 2004 Device: Kindle Touch	Is the iLiad a weapon of terror? (poll) Sure you all must have heard of the recent events at London airport Heathrow. A bunch of chicken-hearted terrorists have planned to blow up airplanes in flight from the UK to the US. What's interesting is to observe the drastic short/long(?)-term measures airport security is going to take to prevent such a terror plot from happening. Just forget about it if you plan on carrying your iLiad as hand luggage if you fly from Europe to the US these days. Notebook computers, digicams, etc. must go in check luggage. And so would your iLiad. What should we do now? Do we have to go back to p-books again?

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08-11-2006, 09:59 AM	#2
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	I'd leave it at home and cry during the flight.

08-11-2006, 10:19 AM	#3
Calabahn Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2006 Device: V3I	It looks like TSA here in the states will let us still have our electronics, just no liquids or gels. So no toothpaste or deodorant. We'll be a smelly lot; but we'll have our toys.

08-11-2006, 10:55 AM	#4
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	Ryan of Engadget also posted about the gadget ban, which is currently only in place in some parts of Europe: http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/t...an-of-gadgets/

08-11-2006, 11:36 AM	#5
jæd Evangelist Posts: 458 Karma: 293 Join Date: May 2006	AFAIK this ban is only for 72h... Hopefully they'll relax it soon, otherwise everyone will start using Paris or Frankfurt as travel hubs for longer destinations...

08-11-2006, 12:30 PM	#6
arivero Guru Posts: 607 Karma: 2157 Join Date: Oct 2005 Device: NCR3125, Nokia 770,...	paperbooks also banned. You are only allowed to on-fly audio/tv and on-fly high spirit liquors. Hmm what does it happens if I put the audio inside the liquor? Bah, never mind.

08-11-2006, 01:15 PM	#8
scotty1024 Banned Posts: 1,300 Karma: 1479 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Washington Device: Reader / iPhone / Librie / Kindle	ILiad's are not dangerous, its the people that want to blow up themselves and others that are dangerous. Personally I feel it better to water the tree of liberty with the blood of a few innocent patriots being exploded than to surrender our liberties for a false sense of safety from barbarians. Find the barbarians and do unto them before they do unto us. The government has learned to not negotiate with terrorists. But it still has yet to learn that by allowing barbarians to take our liberties they give them the power to change our society, even if their bombs don't go off...

08-12-2006, 04:55 AM	#10
Henry Loenwind Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 73 Join Date: Jul 2006	mmmh, these terrorists are surely recourcefull. What will be next? Bombs implanted into people, clothes prepared to release toxic fumes when ignited, martial arts attacks against windows? Wouldn't it be easier if one big country would try to stop making enemies?

08-12-2006, 06:33 AM	#12
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	I think the limitations won't last too long...but I have to agree with the above two posters: the USA and Israel should stop messing around with the Msulim Countries. I'm not Pro-Terrorist...and I doubt anyone here is...but I guess terrorism is the only way to go for the poor countries (they don't have a lot of modern military equipment) down there...anyting else and the US just send in a bunch of ariplanes and bomb everything to dust. And I have to say one more thing for terrorists: They're fair (going by a certain meaning of the word fair of course): Germany didn't participate in the (unjustified) attack on Iraq and so far there has been no terrorist activity here, just like the other countries that said no to the USA get left in peace. Only thoses who supported America are in trobule now. However, innocents always suffer, and the fact that a good friend of mine couldn't leave London on Thursday because of the whole business is just one small example. The people dying from terrorist attacks are usually not the ones who caused the whole mess...so that's where fairness stops unfortunately. I'm sorry if I hurt anybodies feelings here, but this is really something I saw coming before the Iraq war even started... Back to Gadgets: Sooner or later authorities will have to realize that there is no way to secure airplanes and public places against terrorist attacks. You can make a bomb out of too many things, hide explosives in too many places...so I think the whol banning and searching process will be short-lived.

08-12-2006, 08:08 AM	#14
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	I understand this is a sensitive topic so let's try to stick our focus on gadgets and airplanes, not politics.

08-12-2006, 08:58 AM	#15
TadW Uebermensch Posts: 2,583 Karma: 1094606 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Device: Kindle	If you decide to put it in your check luggage, David has a good suggestion how to protect your e-book reader from a potential total fallout: the Otterbox. Otterboxes are crushproof and waterproof up to 100 feet deep (which is hopefully not so important on an airplane). I am not sure which one would be the right fit for the iLiad, but the 2000 model seems alright.

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