iLiad iLiad as a wireless Wacom tablet for my desktop - Page 2

CommanderROR · 10-23-2007, 09:41 AM

iRex might not, but you guys certainly have...^^

Adam B. · 10-23-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CommanderROR

iRex might not, but you guys certainly have...^^

I think we've just begun to scratch the surface...

hudson · 10-25-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nekokami

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I think if the iLiad could display while it provides input to another system, it really could compete with the Cintiq, which is overkill for most folks. The Graphire is ok, but I really like being able to look down at what I'm drawing, rather than drawing in one place and looking in another. (I can do that while I type, but I'm not good enough at drawing to get away with it!)

Wacom has just announced a smaller version of the Cintiq, a 12 inch model that is powered over USB.

I haven't made much further progress with the UDP interface for the tablet on my iLiad; it is frustrating to restart my X server all the time since I must restart fifty xterms or so. This would be a good thing to test on a second X server running on :1.0 so that I don't lose all of my other work in the process.

nekokami · 10-25-2007, 10:07 AM

At "less than one thousand dollars," the new Cintiq is still well out of my price range. I'm still hoping to be able to use my iLiad for this purpose. And I still think the iLiad in general could compete with this new Cintiq model, as it can do so many other things as well.

ProDigit · 10-22-2008, 01:16 AM

Just out of curiosity, where do you guys learn all of this (Linux driver mods and so)?

igorsk · 10-22-2008, 05:14 PM

Well, you can start here:
http://www.faqs.org/docs/kernel/
or here:
http://kernelnewbies.org/

jharker · 10-22-2008, 05:57 PM

Personally, I started by just grabbing the source code or man pages and digging through it with a goal in mind. It really depends on what you're trying to do. Some understanding of basic tools (grep, less, find, man, C language, Google search) is really all you need to get started, then it's just looking things up, making deductions, etc...

Basically it's all trial and error. Keep notes to track your thought process. Don't be afraid to be wrong. Don't be afraid to ask other people questions, too! My number one rule is "never be afraid to look like an idiot"

ProDigit · 10-22-2008, 09:32 PM

I wish there was some 'intro-kernel' to start with...
Like,Linux kernels have advanced so much the past 10 years it's like I'd never catch up with them anymore...

The time when Linux only was available as a shell, I was way too young to start thinking about modifying it.
Now that the years of 'intelligence' have come,it's like going to a school, and being 5 years behind the rest of the class,you know what I mean?

It'd be nice if the reader or other simple hardware devices supported like a tiny kernel, that's just too easy to mod.
Like where if you put your mind to it,you could program everything, and knew everything there is to know about the drivers and hardware within one week!

I bet the kernel is one of the hardest things to start with.. It's all so connected drivers, kernel, OS...

I'd love to learn it but I'd probably need to consider if I'm willing to dedicate myself to the many hours of study, and if it could ever bring bread in my house.. you know?

ericshliao · 10-23-2008, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProDigit

It'd be nice if the reader or other simple hardware devices supported like a tiny kernel, that's just too easy to mod.
Like where if you put your mind to it,you could program everything, and knew everything there is to know about the drivers and hardware within one week!

IMHO, Linux is already a qualified tiny kernel. Many embedded devices adopt Linux as their working OS.
If you want to know everything about kernel mod in a week... that's hard to say.
I think its nearly impossible. Because if you can make it within a week, you must have already known so many things that you only need one week to pick up the tiny parts, not from intro-level.

ajat80 · 04-13-2009, 09:56 AM

I am a graphic designer and i love the idea of having a carry on sketch book that i can use as well as graphic tablet when is connected to my computer
Please update on progress
i will definitely get on if this wok, one other question, is there another program for drawing like illustrator, that would be amazing.

Thanks for the hope and inspiration,

stonehat · 04-16-2009, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProDigit

It'd be nice if the reader or other simple hardware devices supported like a tiny kernel, that's just too easy to mod.
Like where if you put your mind to it,you could program everything, and knew everything there is to know about the drivers and hardware within one week!

Now there is an idea - a kernel that is written not to optimise efficiency, but written from the ground up just to be easy to program, debug and maintain.

Actually, I think Linux kernel modules address the programming, but work is needed on simplifying the latter two...

I think you can gain a lot of knowledge about Linux Device Drivers in a short time by reading this free ( but please buy ) book: http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/

nekokami · 04-16-2009, 10:17 AM

Minix, a historical predecessor to linux, is like that.

kosmarnik · 04-20-2009, 03:39 PM

I may be late, but let me add this, Wacom Penabled tech (which Iliad uses) does not support tilt :/
It's the same tech you seen in every tablet PC, but not in the Wacom tablets/Cintiq.
IIRC it's a really old Wacom pre-Intuos tech. The only reason they don't give their newer (ie post 2000) tech to OEMs is not to cannibalize their Intous/Citiq sales.

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Originally Posted by ajat80

I am a graphic designer and i love the idea of having a carry on sketch book that i can use as well as graphic tablet when is connected to my computer
Please update on progress
i will definitely get on if this wok, one other question, is there another program for drawing like illustrator, that would be amazing.

IMHO you'd be much better served by something like HP Pavillion TX2x00 series. They're pretty cheap (~$800US) and you get an 12.1" 1280x800 color LCD (ok, and touch screen, x2 2.2 Ghz cpus, 3gb ram, 250gb hdd, the rest). I had one (I still have it but it's been on warranty service for like 4 months now

), and it's a pretty nice machine for drawing/design.
Runs PS/AI/3DSMAX/Z-brush/Painter like a champ.

I would have used it as a reader, but the weight (1.9kg) is a tad too much.
Though I have read a lot of graphic novels on it

Eh and also, I don't see windows support mentioned anywhere

I would hazard a guess a say that there is none? Please say I'm wrong

LaDyBug · 05-03-2009, 11:30 PM

Could it be possible to make this work on Windows by using Colinux or Portable Ubuntu?

Cliffe · 06-07-2009, 07:49 AM

Hey guys,

I have been playing with the idea of sending the wacom data directly out of the mini usb of the DR1000S via gadgetfs, for use on a Windows computer. Please check https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48414 and let me know if you think my initial thoughts have potential.

Thanks.

04-13-2009, 09:56 AM	#25
ajat80 Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2009 Device: none	I really want this to work I am a graphic designer and i love the idea of having a carry on sketch book that i can use as well as graphic tablet when is connected to my computer Please update on progress i will definitely get on if this wok, one other question, is there another program for drawing like illustrator, that would be amazing. Thanks for the hope and inspiration,

04-16-2009, 10:17 AM	#27
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Minix, a historical predecessor to linux, is like that. Last edited by nekokami; 05-02-2009 at 09:42 PM. Reason: added link to MINIX page.

05-03-2009, 11:30 PM	#29
LaDyBug Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2009 Device: Iliad	Portable Ubuntu Could it be possible to make this work on Windows by using Colinux or Portable Ubuntu?

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10-23-2007, 09:41 AM	#16
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	iRex might not, but you guys certainly have...^^

10-25-2007, 10:07 AM	#19
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	At "less than one thousand dollars," the new Cintiq is still well out of my price range. I'm still hoping to be able to use my iLiad for this purpose. And I still think the iLiad in general could compete with this new Cintiq model, as it can do so many other things as well.

10-22-2008, 01:16 AM	#20
ProDigit Karmaniac Posts: 2,553 Karma: 11499146 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Miami FL Device: PRS-505, Jetbook, + Mini, +Color, Astak Ez Reader Pro, PPW1, Aura H2O	Just out of curiosity, where do you guys learn all of this (Linux driver mods and so)?

10-22-2008, 05:14 PM	#21
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,442 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	Well, you can start here: http://www.faqs.org/docs/kernel/ or here: http://kernelnewbies.org/

10-22-2008, 05:57 PM	#22
jharker Developer Posts: 345 Karma: 3473 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Device: iRex iLiad v1, Blackberry Tour, Kindle DX, iPad.	Personally, I started by just grabbing the source code or man pages and digging through it with a goal in mind. It really depends on what you're trying to do. Some understanding of basic tools (grep, less, find, man, C language, Google search) is really all you need to get started, then it's just looking things up, making deductions, etc... Basically it's all trial and error. Keep notes to track your thought process. Don't be afraid to be wrong. Don't be afraid to ask other people questions, too! My number one rule is "never be afraid to look like an idiot"

10-22-2008, 09:32 PM	#23
ProDigit Karmaniac Posts: 2,553 Karma: 11499146 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Miami FL Device: PRS-505, Jetbook, + Mini, +Color, Astak Ez Reader Pro, PPW1, Aura H2O	I wish there was some 'intro-kernel' to start with... Like,Linux kernels have advanced so much the past 10 years it's like I'd never catch up with them anymore... The time when Linux only was available as a shell, I was way too young to start thinking about modifying it. Now that the years of 'intelligence' have come,it's like going to a school, and being 5 years behind the rest of the class,you know what I mean? It'd be nice if the reader or other simple hardware devices supported like a tiny kernel, that's just too easy to mod. Like where if you put your mind to it,you could program everything, and knew everything there is to know about the drivers and hardware within one week! I bet the kernel is one of the hardest things to start with.. It's all so connected drivers, kernel, OS... I'd love to learn it but I'd probably need to consider if I'm willing to dedicate myself to the many hours of study, and if it could ever bring bread in my house.. you know?

06-07-2009, 07:49 AM	#30
Cliffe Member Posts: 10 Karma: 45 Join Date: Apr 2009 Device: DR1000S	Hey guys, I have been playing with the idea of sending the wacom data directly out of the mini usb of the DR1000S via gadgetfs, for use on a Windows computer. Please check https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48414 and let me know if you think my initial thoughts have potential. Thanks.

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