The best Bible for your Kindle - Page 9

isotherm · 10-03-2010, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osnova

I am still not sure if this is such a good idea though. For example, ex.39.42 will be exxeoxrw . Is that what we want?

Won't this make the whitespace between the verses even larger, since the whole "exxeoxrw" must be white, and then the verse number (in numerical form) would still have to be present as well?

i understand the desire to replace the periods with x (although I wonder if a thinner letter such as l would be unique), but replacing all numbers with letters seems it would be confusing for those who still use Kindle 1/2.

It is too bad Amazon has changed these things, as how it worked on earlier Kindles was very elegant.

sirmaru · 10-03-2010, 09:49 AM

I still like the present method of jn317 without periods or "x's" to get to the passage.

If you wanted to make it jnequ that would be fine also just leaving out the use of the <ALT> key.

Adding in the "x's" will complicate the entire entry.

osnova · 10-03-2010, 11:01 AM

Thanks for the input. Yes, the letter DVJ makes whitespace between the verses even larger.

I have just found out that Amazon does not trust us with spelling. The "number->letter" conversion does not create unique search result either. For unknown to me reason, the new Kindle fuzzy search function does not discriminate between "y" (i.e. 6 in our conversion) and "i" (8).

sirmaru · 10-03-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osnova

Thanks for the input. Yes, the letter DVJ makes whitespace between the verses even larger.

I have just found out that Amazon does not trust us with spelling. The "number->letter" conversion does not create unique search result either. For unknown to me reason, the new Kindle fuzzy search function does not discriminate between "y" (i.e. 6 in our conversion) and "i" (8).

Using jn316 and jn318 with the <ALT> keys does get to the correct verse each time. There is no confusion there.

osnova · 10-03-2010, 07:42 PM

sirmaru, you are right. What I meant is that with the standard DVJ jn.1.22, jn.12.2, and jn122 will find both 12:2 and 1:22 on the Kindle 3. While with the letter DVJ there will be a confusion of y and i.

badgoodDeb · 10-04-2010, 03:32 PM

@osnova
Have you sold your technology to someone? Or is this a different technology? I've downloaded their book but haven't looked at it yet. Their description sounds an awful lot like yours.....

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003VWBMGK/...ksontheknob-20

It was listed in the October Kindle free stuff list.

osnova · 10-04-2010, 05:53 PM

Nope, don't know them. I am curious too to see if it's the same as my DVJ, and all I have now is a WiFi Kindle without a WiFi connection.

However, this phrase "just start typing a Bible reference in the lookup bar using the book abbreviation. The search results will come up automatically" makes me wondering if they are using the "dictionary" format. I've been toying with an idea of making a Bible as a dictionary. The downside is that you won't be able to search the text of the Bible itself.

osnova · 10-04-2010, 06:08 PM

I see this Bible http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Bible-F...dp/B0032UYGE6/ and think, "What do I do wrong?"

badgoodDeb · 10-04-2010, 06:14 PM

Differences: theirs is the God's Word translation (perhaps they own that). They use different abbreviations (Gene for Genesis) and slightly different symbolism. "gene 1:1" rather than your "gn.1.1" Theirs is easier to remember, since it's based on the names and symbolism bible readers already know.

Oh, their's is also wrong too .... searching for "ps 101:6" (their symbolism, and their list shows it does exist) ( they show a list of possibilities when I type P ... and when I make it PS ... a narrowed down list) but when I search for "ps 101:6" it takes me to "ps 100:1" and SHOWS that that's what it's taking me to. So it has errors. That was just my first random test.

However -- they may have gotten the idea from you. I can't tell.

ichbindasauge · 10-04-2010, 08:56 PM

And yes, they are using the dictionary format. It's interesting and works well, because you get feedback immediately by showing a list of probables. But the verse you are looking for is not always the first in the list. But as you say, you can't search the Bible. I also cannot jump to the next book using the joystick.

osnova · 10-04-2010, 09:40 PM

I agree, the chapters/verses out of order (due to the number sorting in dictionaries) is not a good sight.

Are people interested in this Bible-as-dictionary approach? I can definitely make them. My first impression is that it's somewhat awkward.

r0b0d0c · 10-05-2010, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heroking

Dear Osnova,

Thanks for the information. I just connected the wireless today and the update to correct the "1 Galatian" was effected on my Kindle Bible.

Thanks for the prompt respse.

How did you get your update?

I purchased the KJV (non-paragraphed) 10/09, and having recently purchased a K3, downloaded it this week - it still has the "1 Galatian 1" listing.

isotherm · 10-05-2010, 10:16 AM

I thought of this dictionary approach too. I'm glad someone else did it so I can see how it works without any effort.

In my copy, when I enter "Psal 101:6" (the suggested abbreviation) it jumps to the proper verse. It is different than the DVJ in that it only shows a list of verses without any context, but it gives instant feedback while typing. I liked the context shown by DVJ, but it's nice to see the instant feedback since then you know if you are using the right abbreviations.

But it still has the same fuzzy search problem where Psal 101:6 also shows 10:16, etc. I think there may not be a good way to get around this on Kindle 3, regardless whether using a dictionary or not. Of course, it would be nicest if someone will create a good Bible reading experience with KDK, once it's available. But for now, I still prefer the DVJ method, once I learned the abbreviations. If it catches on, it has the advantage that a commentary or other reference could be made as a dictionary using the DVJ abbreviations. If set as the default dictionary, the commentary could pop up while reading the Bible.

osnova · 10-05-2010, 01:43 PM

r0b0d0c, send me a pm with your email address and I will send you an updated file.

r0b0d0c · 10-06-2010, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osnova

r0b0d0c, send me a pm with your email address and I will send you an updated file.

Thx, osnova - done! You're the best!

r0b0d0c

10-03-2010, 09:49 AM	#122
sirmaru Wizard Posts: 2,426 Karma: 6561538 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: Kindle PW 2013, HDX 2013, Galaxy S5 2014	Present Osnoava/Amazon adjusted method still best I still like the present method of jn317 without periods or "x's" to get to the passage. If you wanted to make it jnequ that would be fine also just leaving out the use of the <ALT> key. Adding in the "x's" will complicate the entire entry.

10-04-2010, 05:53 PM	#127
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Nope, don't know them. I am curious too to see if it's the same as my DVJ, and all I have now is a WiFi Kindle without a WiFi connection. However, this phrase "just start typing a Bible reference in the lookup bar using the book abbreviation. The search results will come up automatically" makes me wondering if they are using the "dictionary" format. I've been toying with an idea of making a Bible as a dictionary. The downside is that you won't be able to search the text of the Bible itself. Last edited by osnova; 10-04-2010 at 06:02 PM.

10-04-2010, 09:40 PM	#131
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	I agree, the chapters/verses out of order (due to the number sorting in dictionaries) is not a good sight. Are people interested in this Bible-as-dictionary approach? I can definitely make them. My first impression is that it's somewhat awkward. Last edited by osnova; 10-04-2010 at 09:47 PM.

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10-03-2010, 11:01 AM	#123
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Thanks for the input. Yes, the letter DVJ makes whitespace between the verses even larger. I have just found out that Amazon does not trust us with spelling. The "number->letter" conversion does not create unique search result either. For unknown to me reason, the new Kindle fuzzy search function does not discriminate between "y" (i.e. 6 in our conversion) and "i" (8).

10-03-2010, 07:42 PM	#125
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	sirmaru, you are right. What I meant is that with the standard DVJ jn.1.22, jn.12.2, and jn122 will find both 12:2 and 1:22 on the Kindle 3. While with the letter DVJ there will be a confusion of y and i.

10-04-2010, 03:32 PM	#126
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,501 Karma: 64095689 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	@osnova Have you sold your technology to someone? Or is this a different technology? I've downloaded their book but haven't looked at it yet. Their description sounds an awful lot like yours..... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003VWBMGK/...ksontheknob-20 It was listed in the October Kindle free stuff list.

10-04-2010, 06:08 PM	#128
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	I see this Bible http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Bible-F...dp/B0032UYGE6/ and think, "What do I do wrong?"

10-04-2010, 06:14 PM	#129
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,501 Karma: 64095689 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	Differences: theirs is the God's Word translation (perhaps they own that). They use different abbreviations (Gene for Genesis) and slightly different symbolism. "gene 1:1" rather than your "gn.1.1" Theirs is easier to remember, since it's based on the names and symbolism bible readers already know. Oh, their's is also wrong too .... searching for "ps 101:6" (their symbolism, and their list shows it does exist) ( they show a list of possibilities when I type P ... and when I make it PS ... a narrowed down list) but when I search for "ps 101:6" it takes me to "ps 100:1" and SHOWS that that's what it's taking me to. So it has errors. That was just my first random test. However -- they may have gotten the idea from you. I can't tell.

10-04-2010, 08:56 PM	#130
ichbindasauge Connoisseur Posts: 89 Karma: 203522 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindle 2 US, iPad, Samsung Win 8 Tablet	And yes, they are using the dictionary format. It's interesting and works well, because you get feedback immediately by showing a list of probables. But the verse you are looking for is not always the first in the list. But as you say, you can't search the Bible. I also cannot jump to the next book using the joystick.

10-05-2010, 10:16 AM	#133
isotherm Connoisseur Posts: 79 Karma: 187319 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Kindle 2	I thought of this dictionary approach too. I'm glad someone else did it so I can see how it works without any effort. In my copy, when I enter "Psal 101:6" (the suggested abbreviation) it jumps to the proper verse. It is different than the DVJ in that it only shows a list of verses without any context, but it gives instant feedback while typing. I liked the context shown by DVJ, but it's nice to see the instant feedback since then you know if you are using the right abbreviations. But it still has the same fuzzy search problem where Psal 101:6 also shows 10:16, etc. I think there may not be a good way to get around this on Kindle 3, regardless whether using a dictionary or not. Of course, it would be nicest if someone will create a good Bible reading experience with KDK, once it's available. But for now, I still prefer the DVJ method, once I learned the abbreviations. If it catches on, it has the advantage that a commentary or other reference could be made as a dictionary using the DVJ abbreviations. If set as the default dictionary, the commentary could pop up while reading the Bible.

10-05-2010, 01:43 PM	#134
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	r0b0d0c, send me a pm with your email address and I will send you an updated file.